No, that’s not effectively what I’m saying.

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No, that’s not effectively what I’m saying.

Author: Frank L (64745 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Aug 13, 2019

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I am saying that we made our own mess with them and it’s going to take some time to get out of it.

When you make pacts with the devil they come back to haunt you.

And ours with them to borrow so we could live beyond our means and use their cheap labor is exploding in our face.

Replies to: "No, that’s not effectively what I’m saying."

There seems to be some confusion. China/Xi bad, US/Trump good. Glad I cleared the air. - PBHangingChad - 2:26pm 8/13/19 (91) [View All]
- What I find most interesting is the hatred for Trump prevents the condemnation of China. It’s just - PBHangingChad - 3:09pm 8/13/19
  - What I find most interesting is no one here has praised China and you go all nutty. - jimbasil - 3:54pm 8/13/19
    - So I assume you support Trump’s taking on China’s unfair trade policies? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:17pm 8/13/19
      - Get ready for your mind to be blown. - LehighND - 4:19pm 8/13/19
        Fine so how do you negotiate with China and change the dynamic unlike Bush and Obama? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:33pm 8/13/19
        And Reagan who started it all. - Frank L - 4:36pm 8/13/19
        The same group that turns a blind eye to China’s trade and domestic policies. Sure. - PBHangingChad - 4:48pm 8/13/19
        You are completely irrational on this subject. - Frank L - 4:52pm 8/13/19
        Kind of like no drama Obama while our jobs move overseas. Trump is hurting China. So there is that. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:56pm 8/13/19
        Obama had steady job growth his entire presidency. - LehighND - 5:02pm 8/13/19
        Stay on China [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:04pm 8/13/19
        You said our jobs moved overseas under Obama. - LehighND - 5:07pm 8/13/19
        Did plants in the Midwest and Southeast close and move overseas? Those people that voted for Trump. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:12pm 8/13/19
        Unemployment was going down. - LehighND - 5:19pm 8/13/19
        There is a difference between making cars or electronics, and serving up big macs. - NedoftheHill - 7:21pm 8/13/19
        Making electronics was moving offshore since the 60’s when the Japs started making transistors. - Frank L - 7:36pm 8/13/19
        I'm an American. It is better for the world that America survive. - NedoftheHill - 9:39pm 8/13/19
        You are whatever it serves your purpose to be. Change the system huh? Like AOC and others want to - Frank L - 10:37pm 8/13/19
        Meh. They can't be wrong all the time, can they? - NedoftheHill - 11:30pm 8/13/19
        I’m simply pointing out the lack of consistency in your positions. - Frank L - 10:14am 8/14/19
        
        They did that starting with Reagan. Remember the Springsteen song from 84. - Frank L - 5:15pm 8/13/19
        Fine so let’s go back to him. Who spoke to those forgotten Americans that both parties ignored? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:18pm 8/13/19
        Because he was able to play on their resentment, that makes his policies sound ones? [NT] - LehighND - 5:22pm 8/13/19
        Did it work? Did Bush or Obama solve their problems? Tell the truth. What makes Trump different [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:24pm 8/13/19
        Unemployment went from 4.7% to 3.7%, so... - LehighND - 5:28pm 8/13/19
        Riddle me this caped crusader, what was unemployment when Barry took over? Who reduced it more? - Frank L - 5:30pm 8/13/19
        It was around 10%. Damn. I guess his China policy wasn't so bad. [NT] - LehighND - 5:31pm 8/13/19
        
        He’s nuts and a demagogue and they weren’t? [NT] - Frank L - 5:26pm 8/13/19
        And Obama wasn’t? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:28pm 8/13/19
        No he wasn’t, although he was many other not so good things. [NT] - Frank L - 5:29pm 8/13/19
        I’m sorry wasn’t he going to cure the planet, make the seas fall and give everyone better healthcare [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:31pm 8/13/19
        Yup, and he even had Greek columns for his acceptance speech. So what, I always said he was full of - Frank L - 5:36pm 8/13/19
        
        Can you stay on topic at all? Also, promising shit you cant deliver to people who have been - Frank L - 5:21pm 8/13/19
        If you like your doctor, insurance, and healthcare you can keep it. Really want to go there? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:26pm 8/13/19
        If I had been a fan of Barrycare I wouldn’t. Since I wasn’t, sure why not. - Frank L - 5:28pm 8/13/19
        So you support China's healthcare system? Can I get an f'ing patriot in this f'ing place or what!!? [NT] - LehighND - 5:33pm 8/13/19
        Way to go PA Boy. It’s about time. Some patriotism. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:36pm 8/13/19
        
        You keep proving the point. How’s about yer pals W and Vice? They do anything? [NT] - Frank L - 4:59pm 8/13/19
        I’ll repeat again they did nothing just like Obama. Right stay on China today. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:05pm 8/13/19
        
        * [NT] - Frank L - 5:03pm 8/13/19
        Like you I can support leaders when I agree and against them when I don’t. On China he’s right. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:07pm 8/13/19
        
        * [NT] - Frank L - 5:06pm 8/13/19
        
        Unpossible - jimbasil - 4:22pm 8/13/19
    - They need someone to fight with all the time. No one here is praising or supporting China. [NT] - Frank L - 4:14pm 8/13/19
      - Excuse me but I remember several posters claiming that Trump taking on China would hurt America. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:16pm 8/13/19
        You can note the grass is green and that is not saying the tree leaves aren't green. [NT] - jimbasil - 4:27pm 8/13/19
        Take another hit. You might make more sense. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:36pm 8/13/19
        Read it again. English is not your first language [NT] - jimbasil - 4:40pm 8/13/19
        Same old same old. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:49pm 8/13/19
        
        That is supporting China? [NT] - LehighND - 4:20pm 8/13/19
        No but had Obama taken on China which he didn’t do in eight years he would be applauded. Right? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:38pm 8/13/19
        
        And it is.......why do think yer Messiah just pulled back and blinked? - Frank L - 4:19pm 8/13/19
        Art of the Deal baby watch and learn [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:39pm 8/13/19
        Which deal? Has he gotten one in 3 years? [NT] - Frank L - 4:42pm 8/13/19
        Tax cuts, new NAFTA, getting NATO partners to pay more, energy independence. Not bad. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:52pm 8/13/19
        New NAFTA still in limbo and it does virtually nothing. Fracking has been going on for years. He - Frank L - 4:58pm 8/13/19
        So Canada and Mexico want it but because it’s Trump it’s bad. It’s not just fracking dopey. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:09pm 8/13/19
        Nope, it just doesn’t do much which is why I assume they want it. - Frank L - 5:13pm 8/13/19
        The only thing you know about oil is filing your SUV with gasoline. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:15pm 8/13/19
        Considering my firm handles oil and gas leasing I would say you are full of shit. [NT] - Frank L - 5:16pm 8/13/19
        Considering my company trades petroleum and owns terminals I’m glad I gave a good law firm [NT] - PBHangingChad - 5:20pm 8/13/19
        After reading some of yer stuff here, I’m glad you have one as well. [NT] - Frank L - 5:24pm 8/13/19
        
        Stay on China! [NT] - LehighND - 5:08pm 8/13/19
        
        * [NT] - Frank L - 4:43pm 8/13/19
        
        * [NT] - Frank L - 4:24pm 8/13/19
  - As Jim Cramer (no Trumpite) and Mr. Wonderful made clear last week, China is a totalitarian state - Cole - 3:48pm 8/13/19
    - Thanks Capt Obvious. And that poor guy who put the capital up didn’t know all that? - Frank L - 4:18pm 8/13/19
      - You're effectively saying that we should let China keep stealing our capital. You are lost in your - Cole - 4:20pm 8/13/19
        No, that’s not effectively what I’m saying. - Frank L - 4:33pm 8/13/19
  - WTF? Even Orange isn’t condemning them right now. - Frank L - 3:44pm 8/13/19
    - Orange Man Bad!!! [NT] - ImWearingJeanShorts - 5:11pm 8/13/19
      - Why do you keep saying bad? Well beyond that into terrible, horrendous. [NT] - Frank L - 5:32pm 8/13/19
        * [NT] - Frank L - 5:34pm 8/13/19
    - I agree he is AWOL for the time being I hope. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:18pm 8/13/19
      - You are making zero sense on this topic. - Frank L - 4:29pm 8/13/19
        My point is I have yet to see a post from you anti Trumpers on anything related to China. True? - PBHangingChad - 4:41pm 8/13/19
        WTF? There have been posts all over this subject and the trade war. [NT] - Frank L - 4:44pm 8/13/19
        Supporting Trump from you and your compadres? Show me. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 4:53pm 8/13/19
        You must be taking English lessons from Eli. You first asked about “any posts related to China”. - Frank L - 5:09pm 8/13/19
        
        Just a thought experiment. - LehighND - 5:05pm 8/13/19
- Journey/Boston bad, Grateful Dead/Radiohead good. [NT] - LehighND - 2:30pm 8/13/19
  - Is there actually any difference between Journey/Boston/Foreigner? [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 2:38pm 8/13/19
    - Foreigner the best of that group. You are either too hot blooded or cold as ice to realize that. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 3:30pm 8/13/19
      - Boston is the tallest midget! - LehighND - 3:53pm 8/13/19
        Here's some more cheese - jimbasil - 4:08pm 8/13/19
        Styx. - LehighND - 4:15pm 8/13/19
    - I can't stop believing there is. It's more than a hot blooded feeling. [NT] - LehighND - 2:48pm 8/13/19
      - Toto lly. [NT] - jimbasil - 3:04pm 8/13/19
        Toto bullsh!t, Jim! - LehighND - 3:51pm 8/13/19
        You've been standing too long in the rains of Africa. Find some dry land dude. - jimbasil - 4:06pm 8/13/19
        More great lyrics - jimbasil - 4:10pm 8/13/19