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OT but relevant. Another masterpiece by VDH on America's universities

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:08 pm on Sep 7, 2019

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Link: https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/01/from-icon-to-just-a-con/

Replies to: "OT but relevant. Another masterpiece by VDH on America's universities"

MIT covered up its relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. [LINK] - MAS - 9:49pm 9/7/19 (57) [View All]
- Ronan Farrow is an actual reporter - very rare. Universities are completely beholden to $$ - BaronVonZemo - 6:34am 9/9/19
- OT but relevant. Another masterpiece by VDH on America's universities [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 10:08pm 9/7/19
  - Professor Hanson is shouting into the wind - Curly1918 - 9:59am 9/8/19
  - VDH essays are always welcome. No one has had a better bead on American politics... - MAS - 12:21am 9/8/19
    - He gets it, I love to see interviews with him. Not one liberal professor could handle him in a - THEISMANCARR - 12:51pm 9/8/19
    - Why do people pay great sums of money for humanities or social science degrees? - NedoftheHill - 10:13am 9/8/19
      - Amen. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:38am 9/9/19
      - tax write-off [NT] - Hank the Tank - 2:34pm 9/8/19
        Not tax deductible [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:10pm 9/8/19
      - It's even more reprehensible at the graduate level. - MAS - 2:04pm 9/8/19
        Fact check: PhD programs do not result in debt - Chris94 - 10:28pm 9/8/19
        Untrue - MAS - 11:46pm 9/8/19
        Small loans might be necessary to get you through. Not crushing debt. - Chris94 - 12:32am 9/9/19
        “Crushing debt” is relative to what they will make for their degree. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:39am 9/9/19
        He wrote “more reprehensible.” Which is ridiculous. [NT] - Chris94 - 7:46am 9/9/19
        
        do I recall you are a teacher? [NT] - irishscooter - 4:48pm 9/8/19
        Yes: Mr. Hand. [NT] - MAS - 4:56pm 9/8/19
        A noble profession with many non-monetary benefits. Do you - irishscooter - 5:09pm 9/8/19
        Don't over-romanticize it. - MAS - 5:22pm 9/8/19
        I was just trying to make you feel better since you seem - irishscooter - 6:07pm 9/8/19
        
        fantastic little treatise. - und67 - 5:45pm 9/8/19
      - Because it’s education, not training - Chris94 - 10:18am 9/8/19
        it should be. But the sheer cost has changed the dynamic. Sad...but the universities have done this [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:31pm 9/8/19
        I don’t disagree [NT] - Chris94 - 8:33pm 9/8/19
        
        Let me put it this way. Liberal Arts is a fine art, shouldn't & couldn't be mass produced. - Eli - 11:55am 9/8/19
        An undergrad degree shouldn’t be mass produced in any discipline. - Frank L - 12:09pm 9/8/19
        
        Nobody is mass producing anything - Chris94 - 12:08pm 9/8/19
        My original point is that it is not for everyone. - NedoftheHill - 12:58pm 9/8/19
        “Big Education.” Right. [NT] - Chris94 - 5:37pm 9/8/19
        Just "Big Ed"... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 10:08pm 9/9/19
        
        Why would you use this on others and not have it apply to your field? It is accurate. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:44am 9/9/19
        
        Really? You are going to let that stop you from making a substantive response? - NedoftheHill - 6:12pm 9/8/19
        
        I concur. Even for the hard/professional degrees, college is for education not training. - Curly1918 - 11:40am 9/8/19
        OK, but that is not how it is used today. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:53pm 9/8/19
        It is in the hard subjects. As to the liberal arts... I'm not sure what Plato had to say about... - Curly1918 - 6:02pm 9/8/19
        
        That is a nice sentiment, but I don't buy it. - NedoftheHill - 10:29am 9/8/19
        I think you glossed over a key point. - iairishcheeks - 12:21pm 9/8/19
        Indebted, and therefore politically enslaved, lumps of clay. - NedoftheHill - 12:53pm 9/8/19
        
        Again, it is not meant to be a financial investment - Chris94 - 10:37am 9/8/19
        I am sorry, but that is utter BS, especially since the internet can provide this for free. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:48am 9/9/19
        
        I've been holding onto this one for a while.. [NT] [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 2:35pm 9/8/19
        I think I posted that before. Interesting point of view. [NT] - Frank L - 2:38pm 9/8/19
        
        Do the poor have the latitude to invest a $100k in their soul? No, they do not. - NedoftheHill - 12:44pm 9/8/19
        The poor have the advantage, many just don't realize it. - iairishcheeks - 2:38pm 9/8/19
        
        They don’t need to. They will get schollys if they are committed. [NT] - Frank L - 1:18pm 9/8/19
        
        Let me add this: That is an outdated sentiment. If valid once, it is not valid now. - NedoftheHill - 10:35am 9/8/19
        I think it depends on the student. - Frank L - 11:11am 9/8/19
        But both of your kids with humanities degrees - WoodstockIrish - 1:23pm 9/9/19
        
        Each of your kids got training in a discipline that is marketable (Law, Law and Finance). - NedoftheHill - 12:42pm 9/8/19
        The first would be quite marketable with just the MPP. She got both degrees in a 2 for 1 package. - Frank L - 1:17pm 9/8/19
        Both of your humanities majors when to graduate school to get training for their field of employment - NedoftheHill - 11:04am 9/9/19
        That is true. But so do many STEM majors to fulfill their plan. - Frank L - 2:34pm 9/9/19
        "Some may actually come out educated." The right end of the bell curve will, and will get a job. - NedoftheHill - 4:09pm 9/9/19
        I don’t think we are either. The left and center aren’t going far whether they go to undergrad or - Frank L - 4:29pm 9/9/19
        
        They are not just fine. - MAS - 1:59pm 9/8/19
        You are mixing apples and oranges. - Frank L - 2:12pm 9/8/19
        Neither am I. - MAS - 2:47pm 9/8/19

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