An undergrad degree shouldn’t be mass produced in any discipline.

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An undergrad degree shouldn’t be mass produced in any discipline.

Author: Frank L (64660 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Sep 8, 2019

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That is the overall problem. Way too many people attending who have no business being there.

Also, the humanities here have been so bastardized that some just aren’t real degrees.

But if you are smart and a good student, you can do just fine with an undergrad degree in the humanities.

Replies to: "An undergrad degree shouldn’t be mass produced in any discipline."

MIT covered up its relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. [LINK] - MAS - 9:49pm 9/7/19 (57) [View All]
- Ronan Farrow is an actual reporter - very rare. Universities are completely beholden to $$ - BaronVonZemo - 6:34am 9/9/19
- OT but relevant. Another masterpiece by VDH on America's universities [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 10:08pm 9/7/19
  - Professor Hanson is shouting into the wind - Curly1918 - 9:59am 9/8/19
  - VDH essays are always welcome. No one has had a better bead on American politics... - MAS - 12:21am 9/8/19
    - He gets it, I love to see interviews with him. Not one liberal professor could handle him in a - THEISMANCARR - 12:51pm 9/8/19
    - Why do people pay great sums of money for humanities or social science degrees? - NedoftheHill - 10:13am 9/8/19
      - Amen. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:38am 9/9/19
      - tax write-off [NT] - Hank the Tank - 2:34pm 9/8/19
        Not tax deductible [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:10pm 9/8/19
      - It's even more reprehensible at the graduate level. - MAS - 2:04pm 9/8/19
        Fact check: PhD programs do not result in debt - Chris94 - 10:28pm 9/8/19
        Untrue - MAS - 11:46pm 9/8/19
        Small loans might be necessary to get you through. Not crushing debt. - Chris94 - 12:32am 9/9/19
        “Crushing debt” is relative to what they will make for their degree. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:39am 9/9/19
        He wrote “more reprehensible.” Which is ridiculous. [NT] - Chris94 - 7:46am 9/9/19
        
        do I recall you are a teacher? [NT] - irishscooter - 4:48pm 9/8/19
        Yes: Mr. Hand. [NT] - MAS - 4:56pm 9/8/19
        A noble profession with many non-monetary benefits. Do you - irishscooter - 5:09pm 9/8/19
        Don't over-romanticize it. - MAS - 5:22pm 9/8/19
        I was just trying to make you feel better since you seem - irishscooter - 6:07pm 9/8/19
        
        fantastic little treatise. - und67 - 5:45pm 9/8/19
      - Because it’s education, not training - Chris94 - 10:18am 9/8/19
        it should be. But the sheer cost has changed the dynamic. Sad...but the universities have done this [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:31pm 9/8/19
        I don’t disagree [NT] - Chris94 - 8:33pm 9/8/19
        
        Let me put it this way. Liberal Arts is a fine art, shouldn't & couldn't be mass produced. - Eli - 11:55am 9/8/19
        An undergrad degree shouldn’t be mass produced in any discipline. - Frank L - 12:09pm 9/8/19
        
        Nobody is mass producing anything - Chris94 - 12:08pm 9/8/19
        My original point is that it is not for everyone. - NedoftheHill - 12:58pm 9/8/19
        “Big Education.” Right. [NT] - Chris94 - 5:37pm 9/8/19
        Just "Big Ed"... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 10:08pm 9/9/19
        
        Why would you use this on others and not have it apply to your field? It is accurate. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:44am 9/9/19
        
        Really? You are going to let that stop you from making a substantive response? - NedoftheHill - 6:12pm 9/8/19
        
        I concur. Even for the hard/professional degrees, college is for education not training. - Curly1918 - 11:40am 9/8/19
        OK, but that is not how it is used today. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:53pm 9/8/19
        It is in the hard subjects. As to the liberal arts... I'm not sure what Plato had to say about... - Curly1918 - 6:02pm 9/8/19
        
        That is a nice sentiment, but I don't buy it. - NedoftheHill - 10:29am 9/8/19
        I think you glossed over a key point. - iairishcheeks - 12:21pm 9/8/19
        Indebted, and therefore politically enslaved, lumps of clay. - NedoftheHill - 12:53pm 9/8/19
        
        Again, it is not meant to be a financial investment - Chris94 - 10:37am 9/8/19
        I am sorry, but that is utter BS, especially since the internet can provide this for free. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:48am 9/9/19
        
        I've been holding onto this one for a while.. [NT] [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 2:35pm 9/8/19
        I think I posted that before. Interesting point of view. [NT] - Frank L - 2:38pm 9/8/19
        
        Do the poor have the latitude to invest a $100k in their soul? No, they do not. - NedoftheHill - 12:44pm 9/8/19
        The poor have the advantage, many just don't realize it. - iairishcheeks - 2:38pm 9/8/19
        
        They don’t need to. They will get schollys if they are committed. [NT] - Frank L - 1:18pm 9/8/19
        
        Let me add this: That is an outdated sentiment. If valid once, it is not valid now. - NedoftheHill - 10:35am 9/8/19
        I think it depends on the student. - Frank L - 11:11am 9/8/19
        But both of your kids with humanities degrees - WoodstockIrish - 1:23pm 9/9/19
        
        Each of your kids got training in a discipline that is marketable (Law, Law and Finance). - NedoftheHill - 12:42pm 9/8/19
        The first would be quite marketable with just the MPP. She got both degrees in a 2 for 1 package. - Frank L - 1:17pm 9/8/19
        Both of your humanities majors when to graduate school to get training for their field of employment - NedoftheHill - 11:04am 9/9/19
        That is true. But so do many STEM majors to fulfill their plan. - Frank L - 2:34pm 9/9/19
        "Some may actually come out educated." The right end of the bell curve will, and will get a job. - NedoftheHill - 4:09pm 9/9/19
        I don’t think we are either. The left and center aren’t going far whether they go to undergrad or - Frank L - 4:29pm 9/9/19
        
        They are not just fine. - MAS - 1:59pm 9/8/19
        You are mixing apples and oranges. - Frank L - 2:12pm 9/8/19
        Neither am I. - MAS - 2:47pm 9/8/19