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I'm with you and I fear that we are afraid to make or even discuss

Author: 86domer (667 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 8:14 am on Mar 30, 2020
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what are some brutal choices.

If this was a typical "choice" question we would be assessing the benefits and costs on both sides of the ledger... or even with multiple choices we would assess the decision making criteria (Pugh matrix for the nerds out there) for each choice and determine the best option.

But the hyperbole (both sides) seems to keep people away from the discussion.

Lock down the country ..... Clear benefit is saving lives - but we need to have a view of how many? for how long (are we only saving the old and infirm?) and ensure that we are measuring what portion of those would be addressed by the existing medical system or would not survive anyway (people are dying from this virus and we are unable to save them with the current treatments)

..... and I am not sure that the costs are being well defined other than vague unemployment numbers. I don't know the answer, but the societal costs must be massive. As you note, as closed businesses... recession/ bailouts/ expanded gov't/ joblessness/ suicide/ drug abuse (all the ills that we have been associating with a "non-livable" wage)

I am trying to understand the balance here and it scares me. And I part of a small business.... we already expected to be off ~20% this year and that was before the end of April date. This is about to get really hard for us... meeting this morning to discuss staffing and salary adjustments (or more clearly, who goes and who gets less.) And at the same time, a neighbor is recovering from Covid and a parent on my wife's college room mate just died from the virus. I expect we are seeing both sides of this and that may also impact our view.

In any event, be safe and let's hope the best and brightest are defining our path.


Replies to: "I'm with you and I fear that we are afraid to make or even discuss"

  • What are we doing to ourselves? - MarkHarman - 7:34am 3/30/20 (25) [View All]
    • 116,000 Americans lost their lives due to the Asian Flu of 1958 - MarkHarman - 10:16am 3/30/20
      • It will be way more than 300K if we go back to businesses as normal. - ND_in_DRO - 6:17pm 3/30/20
        • It’s amazing when even Trump gets it better than posters like Mark. [NT] - Frank L - 7:34pm 3/30/20
      • Sure. Obviously, we will have to get back to work at some point. - LehighND - 11:48am 3/30/20
      • So what do you propose? Just open everything up? Models are suggesting 100K ON TOP of the - Frank L - 11:41am 3/30/20
      • You must be seriously fucked right now. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 10:17am 3/30/20
        • Seems like everyone who has a different opinion from yours is "a little off" or "fucked right now". [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 11:43am 3/30/20
          • For MH I meant monetarily. - LanceHarbor - 11:51am 3/30/20
        • Pointing out facts - not wanted [NT] - Hank Scorpio - 10:40am 3/30/20
          • You really don’t think all of us aren’t aware of the economic cost of this? - Frank L - 12:11pm 3/30/20
    • I think you should post this a few more times. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:19am 3/30/20
    • Mark - you may have confused Conor, there wasn't a WaPo article linked - TampaIrish - 8:43am 3/30/20
    • Please direct your question to those who voted for this predicament. - conorlarkin - 8:24am 3/30/20
      • Take solace... - iairishcheeks - 11:08am 3/30/20
      • I rest my case. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:38am 3/30/20
    • I'm with you and I fear that we are afraid to make or even discuss - 86domer - 8:14am 3/30/20
      • Re: I'm with you and I fear that we are afraid to make or even discuss - MarkHarman - 10:12am 3/30/20
    • You’re right. The Left will make sure it’s the latter if it means following Trump. This is the - BaronVonZemo - 8:10am 3/30/20
      • What the holy hell? - Rooney - 8:20am 3/30/20
        • Baron used to be more normal. - LanceHarbor - 9:16am 3/30/20
        • Truth hurts, but I am only stating the obvious. The solution to the problem Mark points out is - BaronVonZemo - 8:36am 3/30/20
    • Biggest issue is in panic times people don't act rationally. I believe millions will stop paying - PBHangingChad - 8:08am 3/30/20
    • Calm down. WWII was a far greater crisis and we pulled out of that stronger than ever. - Curly1918 - 7:45am 3/30/20
      • Cause they were tough. Not a bunch of Nancy boys. - Frank L - 1:57pm 3/30/20
        • That's a dandy post. [NT] - jimbasil - 2:08pm 3/30/20
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