Most recent Freakonomics podcast had a pretty even-handed discussion on this. I Iggle 13088 posts Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posted 5:24 pm on Jul 28, 2020 (no message) Link: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3MuYXJ0MTkuY29tL2ZyZWFrb25vbWljcy1yYWRpbw/episode/MjAzYmJjOGYtMjlkYy00MzY2LTgwNjEtYWMwMDAxNjc2Yjc5?sa=X&ved=0CAkQ38oDahcKEwio07Xj8PDqAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ&hl=en