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Who denies climate change? The earth has been warming since the last ice age. It cooled before that.

Author: NedoftheHill (44738 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 9:04 pm on Mar 9, 2022
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The climate has always changed. There is a consensus on that. No one challenges that.

But, the left tries to trap people into denying "it" by equating "Climate Change" with "Urgently Harmful, Anthropogenic Global Warming." You use the former term to refer to the latter concept. Then when someone tries to deny the latter concept using your term for it, you retreat to the more generally accepted meaning of CC, and try to ridicule your debate opponent by pretending that their policy disagreement with you is really a disagreement with science, which it is not. You (the Left) switch definitions when it suits you, and that is disingenuous, and shows that you really do not want to have an honest discussion on the issues; you just want to shut down debate from people who don't want to increase the national debt with nothing to show for it.

As for me, my disagreement regards how harmful and how urgent it is. After all, Global Warming has occurred, and there is no doubt that it has been the single greatest natural event that has happened to humanity. It allowed civilization to develop. Chicago would be under a mile of ice without it. Mankind would have never left Africa to dominate the world. The oceans have been rising for 18,000 years, long before the first internal combustion engine was built. Alaska used to be united with Siberia by a 1000 mile wide continent-sized "bridge." England and Ireland used to be a part of the mainland of Europe. People lived in caves 160 meters below sea level near the coast of Spain. The question for me isn't whether we can stop it...I don't think we can. (And, we are near a natural peak anyway; and global cooling is a far greater threat to humanity.) It is too costly to stop it, and we won't be able to get countries like China and India to do it, and unilateral action by the US will only harm Americans for no reason since it will not achieve the stated goal. Therefore, it is better to adapt. And, humans are good at adapting.

Either way, I know this: Global Warming cannot be successfully managed by putting the last great free country into existential threatening debt by spending like a drunken sailor to line the pockets of Democrat donors with government handouts. If the Left took this threat seriously, they would be calling for austerity on non-CC projects, but they don't. So, that tells us that it is just an excuse to justify more government spending.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Who denies climate change? The earth has been warming since the last ice age. It cooled before that."

  • Here's our problem:CoHandler Kerry claims "Climate refugees will be way worse than Ukraine refugees" [IMAGE] - BaronVonZemo - 5:17pm 3/9/22 (36) [View All]
    • We're over covid. On to Ukraine. Puppet Zelensky will sacrifice more Ukrainians for his handlers [NT] - eftg1 - 7:32pm 3/9/22
    • For Baron, or anyone else...on what basis do you deny Climate Change?...please use substantive data - TyroneIrish - 7:15pm 3/9/22
      • My house sits on top of a hill...the hill was formed by the leading edge of a glacier...I don't deny - TakethetrainKnute - 10:09pm 3/9/22
        • I’m sure no one wishes to see glaciers return to your backyard on Long Island - jimbasil - 4:14am 3/10/22
        • Check out the chart in the link I provided...notice a sudden spike in our CO2 level?...see anything - TyroneIrish - 1:15am 3/10/22
      • Who denies climate change? The earth has been warming since the last ice age. It cooled before that. - NedoftheHill - 9:04pm 3/9/22
        • All of the changes you speak of happened within a CO2 band of 180-300 ppm...we're climbing past 416 [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 10:36pm 3/9/22
          • So, we agree our differences are on policy. Stop with the "You deny climate change" bullshit. - NedoftheHill - 12:56am 3/10/22
            • We've got two sub-threads going here...but it seems we have agreement that mankind is pushing - TyroneIrish - 3:34am 3/10/22
              • I will let the below thread continue. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:21pm 3/10/22
        • To your point, I live in Northeast PA. There’s a state park Hickory Run that in the middle of the - jray - 10:00pm 3/9/22
          • Indeed. And the glacier didn't recede because of anything man was doing 10,000 years ago. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:37pm 3/9/22
            • Exactly [NT] - jray - 10:46pm 3/9/22
      • Super awesome of you to trumpet your shitbird ideas on a daily basis, but other must show their work - Stark Raving Dad - 7:52pm 3/9/22
        • Ok...so you don't have anything to add...anyone else care to back up their opinions with data? - TyroneIrish - 8:30pm 3/9/22
          • Given that, how much hotter on average will it be in 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? 100 years? - NedoftheHill - 9:08pm 3/9/22
            • One of your more earnest deflections, Ned...where is your data?...how are you able to say there will - TyroneIrish - 9:59pm 3/9/22
              • You failed to answer the questions. Of course. - NedoftheHill - 10:45pm 3/9/22
                • Just ignore Tyrone. He preaches climate change and he didn’t even get his - MuskyTommy - 11:26pm 3/9/22
                  • Yeah. I usually do. Not sure what got into me tonight. I'm not even drinking. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:22am 3/10/22
                • Hold on, Ned...what exactly do you see us agreeing on?...if it is indeed 'Global Warming' or - TyroneIrish - 10:53pm 3/9/22
                  • There you go again, mixing concepts. - NedoftheHill - 1:03am 3/10/22
                    • Ok...excellent...we agree that mankind is pumping CO2 into the atmosphere with the burning of - TyroneIrish - 1:54am 3/10/22
                      • Preservation of fossil fuels is something to consider even apart from global warming. - NedoftheHill - 1:20pm 3/10/22
                        • Let's just focus on the part we seem to agree on...FFs are vital and this planet only has ~47 yrs of [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:10pm 3/10/22
              • Then save yourself the agony and just go the fuck away. - Stark Raving Dad - 10:32pm 3/9/22
                • Stark, that brought a tear to my eye! Nice job [NT] - ColeyO - 11:24pm 3/9/22
                • You're very good at ranting...so far, nothing of substance that 'debunks' the 'Climate Change' issue - TyroneIrish - 10:47pm 3/9/22
                  • You have been caught lying here many times, I doubt you ever went to ND. [NT] - notredame678 - 11:51pm 3/9/22
                  • And your beliefs bring shame to that university. Pig. - Stark Raving Dad - 10:54pm 3/9/22
                    • Look, it's abundantly clear that you don't like my views on any number of matters...that's fine - TyroneIrish - 2:10am 3/10/22
    • He’s turned the tone deaf amp to 11. [NT] - Curly1918 - 7:04pm 3/9/22
    • Can we call Californians who move to Texas "Liberalism Refugees"? [NT] - Cole - 5:22pm 3/9/22
      • Let's call them unwelcome. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 11:46pm 3/9/22
      • Don’t Californicate Texas [NT] - LanceManion - 6:43pm 3/9/22
      • Can we extend the southern border wall to the eastern boundary of California? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 6:02pm 3/9/22
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