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I was speaking in a secular/scientific way. You are introducing the concept of spirituality.

Author: NedoftheHill  (47326 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 8:27 pm on Aug 22, 2026
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Either (1) our consciousness "emerges" as a natural by-product of the complexity/architecture of our brains, or (2) it originates in a soul bestowed by God, and the spiritual soul controls our physical being/choices.

I was assuming option 1 for our discussion, since option 1 allows for God's existence (and equivalently, the existence of "spirituality" or "souls")...but it also allows for the existence of no god (and no "souls"). It is, therefore, the more general case. In option 1, consciousness is a part of the physical universe, whether by design, or by evolution, or both. If that is the case, than humanity should be able to create it using technology, by creating the necessary and sufficient conditions for consciousness to emerge. So, we can create consciousness in our AI's.

If, however, option 2 is true, and consciousness is bestowed through ensoulment (a Divine Act for each individual), then the answer to whether AI can be conscious is really unknowable, as we are left to the whims of the Creator as to whether He decides to ensoul our creations.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: “I was speaking in a secular/scientific way. You are introducing the concept of spirituality.”

  • Can AI develope a sense of self? - Curly1918 - 11:35am 8/22/26 (18) [View All]
    • Depends what you mean by "self". [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 5:17pm 8/22/26
    • It's certainly not going to regulate or supervise itself. - conorlarkin - 4:28pm 8/22/26
      • You might be the least qualified person to comment on this. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 5:06pm 8/22/26
    • It depends on which philosophy of language you believe, I guess. [LINK] - Eli - 2:43pm 8/22/26
      • For those of us with an inner voice (apparently not everyone, which explains some things)... - iairishcheeks - 5:25pm 8/22/26
      • Hard to have a "gut feeling.." - hipND - 3:41pm 8/22/26
    • Should we be concerned? Rhetorical. Vastly more important than DJT vs.DSA…except as to their - TakethetrainKnute - 1:14pm 8/22/26
    • I guess you have to ask yourself... - NedoftheHill - 1:01pm 8/22/26
      • "AI is a silicon-based life form created by carbon-based life forms" - Bret Weinstein [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 5:05pm 8/22/26
        • Mimicry just means we aren't at true AI yet. - NedoftheHill - 5:25pm 8/22/26
          • There is not a clear path from mimicry to self-awareness in my view. - iairishcheeks - 5:26pm 8/22/26
            • Massive, pure compute power may be required but not sufficient. - NedoftheHill - 5:35pm 8/22/26
              • A taller building is still a building. - iairishcheeks - 5:40pm 8/22/26
                • Agreed. That is... - NedoftheHill - 6:08pm 8/22/26
                  • Donald Hoffman and Rupert Spira. [NT] [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 6:40pm 8/22/26
                  • It seems to me that there must be more to it than that. - iairishcheeks - 6:22pm 8/22/26
                    • I was speaking in a secular/scientific way. You are introducing the concept of spirituality. - NedoftheHill - 8:27pm 8/22/26
                      • Hoffman introduces at least a third option that he is trying to prove mathematically. - iairishcheeks - 9:10pm 8/22/26

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