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Now this is the kind of response we can work off of...well done, Stark...

Author: TyroneIrish (20572 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 7:26 pm on Mar 21, 2022
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As to your first paragraph...

>PEW Research is a 501.3.c organization that takes no policy position at all...it just collects facts and reports on them...it is very well respected, so your assumption is your own, unless you can come up with evidence to the contrary...btw, the Gallup Poll reports very similar results on this issue...in their 2020 report they found 69% of U.S. Catholics found same sex marriage to be valid. I mention Catholics because this site has the name of a Catholic university on it, and many alumni who are Catholic...not unreasonable for me to cite such a poll...nonetheless, even the majority of that faith are accepting of homosexuals...even to the point of same sex marriage...which puts folks like you in the 'minority'.

>As to my own parish, you actually know nothing about it...you only have MY posts which say nothing about any teachings there...not sure why you make up such an unsupported statement...any debate you want to have...you have it with me and my beliefs.

Your second paragraph...and, actually your third as well, since they blend together...

>You agree that "at some age", it is appropriate for teachers to broach the subject of homosexuality...in as "Objective" a manner as possible, is what I'm hearing from you...if so, I full agree with you. This is where parents and teachers need to get together...perhaps have a 'demo run' through a hypothetical class experience, before there is an agreement on the content and methodology proposed by the school board, thus ensuring there is no "Indoctrination" taking place. Each (and every) district can and should have this discussion, but at the end of the day, the topic needs to be addressed...for ALL grades in that district...there's probably no need for it at the "K" level, or even Grades 1 and 2...although a discussion on the matter should be held...for me, I leave it to the teachers and parents to work this out.

>You make another totally unsubstantiated statement that I "... want the kids totally removed from their parents when it comes to social issues. "...you are free to do a search that supports that accusation...but you won't be successful...please stop making stuff up...it certainly doesn't help your credibility.

Thus far I'm reading that you agree with school districts being able to allow teachers to educate students on homosexuality...and we both agree that parents are an essential part of that process...once agreement on content and methodology has been reached, it is in everyone's best interest to see that the issue is addressed in the school setting...agreed?

So, if this is what we've come to, then we should also agree that Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill is contrary our views on how the topic should be handled, and should be rejected...correct?


Replies to: "Now this is the kind of response we can work off of...well done, Stark..."

  • Disney employees planning to walk out tomorrow - Nigel Tufnel - 11:37am 3/21/22 (100) [View All]
    • Imagine your reaction to a “Don’t Say Christ” bill introduced to ensure that the separation of - TyroneIrish - 3:03pm 3/21/22
      • Something like a separation of Church and State law? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:09pm 3/21/22
        • Exactly...both situations are absurd...there is no need for either one...although the Florida bill [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:31pm 3/21/22
          • It is necessary with the types of people running school boards. - Stark Raving Dad - 3:36pm 3/21/22
            • Show us a school board that has a curriculum with lesson plans for K-3 students that talks about - TyroneIrish - 3:53pm 3/21/22
              • From Out Magazine...you may already have a subscription. [LINK] - Stark Raving Dad - 4:12pm 3/21/22
                • Thanks for that...really...here's some additional supportive material I found on this topic... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:58pm 3/21/22
                  • Do I find anything wrong with what? Teaching kids to behave respectfully with their classmates? - Stark Raving Dad - 6:07pm 3/21/22
                    • Now this is the kind of response we can work off of...well done, Stark... - TyroneIrish - 7:26pm 3/21/22
                      • Thanks! Got a new laptop. It does most of the typing for me. - Stark Raving Dad - 10:29pm 3/21/22
                        • I think we're on a good track here... - TyroneIrish - 11:56pm 3/21/22
                • So there're many states where this indoctrination is being taught.Wise to get ahead of it.DeSantis24 [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 4:22pm 3/21/22
                • How long have you held your subscription? [NT] - jimbasil - 4:15pm 3/21/22
                  • Nah, just a quick google search. To answer Ty. This won't be in his edition "Puppy Poodle Paradise" - Stark Raving Dad - 4:19pm 3/21/22
                    • So you have many editions but you're not a subscriber, interesting! [NT] - jimbasil - 4:27pm 3/21/22
                      • Ummm...what? Not sure I get it, but I am sure it was clever in your mind. Anyway...for Ty. - Stark Raving Dad - 4:31pm 3/21/22
                        • How would you know which edition it is in? Hmmmmm? [NT] - jimbasil - 4:38pm 3/21/22
                          • AHHHH. Ok, Ok,...now I getcha.... - Stark Raving Dad - 4:43pm 3/21/22
        • Hey! That's a great idea Ned. Wonder why no one ever thought of that! [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 3:23pm 3/21/22
    • The elephant in the room: genetic or developmental arrest? - Curly1918 - 12:43pm 3/21/22
      • One thing we do know is that LGBTQ+ persons are being unfairly discriminated against, - TyroneIrish - 3:49pm 3/21/22
      • Their desire to indoctrinate reveals that they think this is developmental. - NedoftheHill - 1:25pm 3/21/22
    • Presume they're embarrassed that Disney is responsible for The View... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:24pm 3/21/22
    • You are making it up. That's not what the walkout is about. It's not about teaching gender in K - 3 - jimbasil - 11:52am 3/21/22
      • These dipshits think that if you mention gay people to 3rd graders it might make them gay - Chris94 - 1:16pm 3/21/22
        • How would you explain "queerness" to kids? And why would you make a big deal about it to kids? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:04pm 3/21/22
          • You just tell them that some families have two daddies and some have two mommies - Chris94 - 3:30pm 3/21/22
            • Start up a liberal/LGBTQ school&do that with your own kids if you choose.Don't normalize it to other - BaronVonZemo - 3:37pm 3/21/22
              • You don't need to "normalize" it. It is already normal. Gay people are here to stay. Sorry! [NT] - Chris94 - 3:39pm 3/21/22
                • Why tell them that? - NedoftheHill - 10:01pm 3/23/22
                • Not trying to get rid of anyone.Just not normal to all.Keep your beliefs off of other people's kids. - BaronVonZemo - 4:04pm 3/21/22
                  • Please keep your "abnormal" beliefs to yourself...the majority of U.S. Catholics accept homosexuals. [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:15pm 3/21/22
                    • Wait a second... heterosexuality is "abnormal" to you? Have you told your wife? - Stark Raving Dad - 4:25pm 3/21/22
                      • I'm sorry, Stark...I forgot that you have no ability to discern "sarcasm"...at all...nonetheless, - TyroneIrish - 4:45pm 3/21/22
                        • Well, in my defense who the fuck knows with you. - Stark Raving Dad - 4:49pm 3/21/22
                          • You have no defense, which is why you resort to bitterness, falsehoods and anger, instead of - TyroneIrish - 5:06pm 3/21/22
                            • Ah yes.... - Stark Raving Dad - 6:09pm 3/21/22
        • It won't make them gay if they're wearing masks. [NT] - Irishize - 1:54pm 3/21/22
        • With all due respect, screw you. You wanna teach the birds and the birds to your kids? Go for it. - Stark Raving Dad - 1:37pm 3/21/22
          • Yes, they will be teaching them about anal and strap-ons. - Chris94 - 1:48pm 3/21/22
            • Why would they be talking about people who do those things at all? Why not math or English? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:13pm 3/21/22
            • Great. You conduct the presentation, proper usage with kiddos? [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:59pm 3/21/22
          • Chris enjoys having teachers do his job for him. I can’t tell you how many times - TampaIrish - 1:43pm 3/21/22
            • At home you can shelter your kids from all kinds of stuff - Chris94 - 1:51pm 3/21/22
              • They're exposed plenty already on all TV/sports/etc.. It's about validation by authority [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:40pm 3/21/22
              • Do you think parents have a right to make choices like that in raising their kids? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:01pm 3/21/22
                • Of course not. We know the Left's view on this & heard it voiced by Va school board members. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:41pm 3/21/22
                  • The fact that he won't answer is a bit disturbing. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 7:02pm 3/21/22
              • Help me out here? How is letting him follow an approved Florida curriculum and keeping him - TampaIrish - 2:15pm 3/21/22
          • It's not being taught - Nigel got it wrong and you are getting it wrong. Just Stop! [NT] - jimbasil - 1:38pm 3/21/22
            • My sister taught in Madison for 25yrs- yes it is. Absolutely it is. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:43pm 3/21/22
        • The bill should actually read K-12. Leave the whole sex thing to the parents. Or........... - ELP - 1:28pm 3/21/22
      • If teachers don't talk about sex to K-3 kids, then why can't FL ban it to make sure? - Cole - 12:45pm 3/21/22
        • Yes - "If teachers don't talk about sex to K-3 kids, then why should FL invent an issue"? [NT] - jimbasil - 12:50pm 3/21/22
          • How do you know they aren't? Please enlighten me on this. Don't point a question back at me - TampaIrish - 12:51pm 3/21/22
            • You make the claim there is sex education being taught in Florida's K - 3. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:56pm 3/21/22
              • So, your point is "gay education" is not necessarily "sex education"? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:19pm 3/21/22
                • Really? I posted the reason for the walkout and how Nigel got it wrong and you post that. Genius. - jimbasil - 3:48pm 3/21/22
                  • Dodge! You should probably be worried that you can't state your views frankly w/o people laughing. - NedoftheHill - 7:04pm 3/21/22
      • Is this an important issue for you? Talking about sex to kindergartners? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:12pm 3/21/22
        • It's absolutely vital for the LBGers to get to the kids as early as possible. - Stark Raving Dad - 12:52pm 3/21/22
          • This is the essence of their push for this. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:44pm 3/21/22
          • Exhibit A [NT] - Chris94 - 1:17pm 3/21/22
            • Damn right. Stay the fuck away from my kids. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:20pm 3/21/22
              • Teachers? [NT] - jimbasil - 1:33pm 3/21/22
                • Politicians. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:38pm 3/21/22
                  • So you're saying the State should stop with these stupid pointless bills that only stir rage. [NT] - jimbasil - 1:39pm 3/21/22
                    • If the bill is stupid and pointless, wouldn't that make the rage equally stupid and pointless? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:39pm 3/21/22
                      • Well, there's no one more clever than you! [NT] - jimbasil - 3:49pm 3/21/22
        • Which issue? [NT] - jimbasil - 12:15pm 3/21/22
          • (rolleyes) Talking about sex to kindergartners, which the bill prohibits. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:15pm 3/21/22
            • Why would you engage with him? [NT] - notredame678 - 12:45pm 3/21/22
              • Valid question. I usually regret it. Funny when he accuses others of dodging a question, though. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:08pm 3/21/22
            • The issue I have a problem with is nigel getting the information incorrect. It's rage for rage sake - jimbasil - 12:20pm 3/21/22
              • How would you discuss queerness with a kindergartner without discussing sex? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:08pm 3/21/22
                • Um, why would I? I'm not a schoolteacher. Are you? - jimbasil - 1:14pm 3/21/22
                  • Nice dodge, but what does it gain you? How would a teacher discuss queerness w/o discussing sex? - NedoftheHill - 1:20pm 3/21/22
                    • I've not defended the law or the walkout. I posted the exact reason for the walkout. - jimbasil - 1:32pm 3/21/22
                      • Not bold enough to take a stand on the issue? Not surprising. - NedoftheHill - 3:04pm 3/21/22
                        • Who cares what you think? My stance has been, if you post a story, be factual. I corrected his post. - jimbasil - 3:51pm 3/21/22
      • Again, if they want to walk out over this, so be it. If they wish to quit and relocate to a - TampaIrish - 12:04pm 3/21/22
        • The teachers are teaching - what the bill says is, a teacher can't - jimbasil - 12:15pm 3/21/22
          • Do you have kids who go to Florida schools? Know anyone down here who has kids going to Florida - TampaIrish - 12:22pm 3/21/22
            • You are desperate to make a point - you haven't one. I corrected Nigel's post - that's all. - jimbasil - 12:27pm 3/21/22
              • And they have the right to walk out. So be it, if they don't like, find another - TampaIrish - 12:41pm 3/21/22
                • "they have the right to walk out." [NT] - jimbasil - 12:50pm 3/21/22
                  • "and if they don't like it, find another state to live". Maybe a - TampaIrish - 12:52pm 3/21/22
                    • Or you could move - Seeing that's how you feel. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:56pm 3/21/22
                      • Nope. I'm quite happy with my Republican state. These people that aren't happy can get the fuck - TampaIrish - 1:00pm 3/21/22
      • As predicted, there are actually people who defend this. God bless you. [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 11:56am 3/21/22
        • As predicted, you can't get anything correct. I gave you the bill and the reason for the walkout. - jimbasil - 12:04pm 3/21/22
          • There is nothing incorrect in my post - absolutely nothing. You are proving my point. - Nigel Tufnel - 12:38pm 3/21/22
            • "in protest over the company’s response to the FL bill that prohibits the teaching of gender - jimbasil - 12:55pm 3/21/22
    • Disney's CEO egged this on. He gets what he deserves. [NT] - Cole - 11:49am 3/21/22
      • He showed weakness and invited this. You'd think a CEO would know better. - NedoftheHill - 12:11pm 3/21/22
    • Let them walk out. As you stated, this is for grades K-3. Why would teachers feel the need to have - TampaIrish - 11:46am 3/21/22
    • Are they walking out to protest the bill or to protest relocating the imagineers? - LanceManion - 11:39am 3/21/22
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