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I think we're on a good track here...

Author: TyroneIrish (20594 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 11:56 pm on Mar 21, 2022
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Your first paragraph...

>Your questions about how the polls were conducted are proper...everyone should consider such things...the two sources I mentioned (PEW Research, and Gallup) are well known...I actually anticipated your questions and did a bit of researching on PEW...they are a non-profit firm that everyone seems to agree does not take any policy position...ever...frankly, it would hurt their 501(c)(3) status...as for Gallup, they've been a known commodity for ages with no serious complaints against them...plus, these polls have been taken regularly for a decade or two...there is a consistency in the results...also, you can Google them yourself...it's all on line...that's how I found the data...and, they address all segments of society, Dem...Rep...age...religious affiliation...etc...when a majority consistently validates their acceptance of homosexuals, you know that's the norm...are there people who strenuously disagree?...of course...but that cohort is declining over time...seems like their message isn't resonating. tt

>As for scripture writings...there's obviously lots to talk about here, so I'll be brief...they are indeed ancient, and reflective of different times, circumstances and cultures...nonetheless they have wisdom in them..that needs 'translating' into modern 'vernacular' and living experiences. In that 'West Wing' episode I linked awhile back showed a couple of outrageous scripture guidelines that may have been relevant back in ancient times, but no way would they be taken seriously today...so it is with all readings...we need to discern the meaning(s) in light of all the knowledge - and wisdom - that we have gained in the interim...I don't reject them out of hand, I just try to understand them with a lot more input than just those words...that, I believe, is what many would view as "Bible Study"...otherwise, no one would need to come and talk about those readings.

>btw, the Bay Area has a diverse makeup of Liberals and Conservatives...with the "Libs" holding a majority. In our parish, my wife and I have been part of a group that's been getting together for nearly 50 years...there are conservatives and liberals in it and we work together on many projects, becoming GREAT FRIENDS along the way...without going too far afield here, I'd say the main reason for that is we share a common view of family values...and we believe in working together on many service projects inside and outside our parish...we all contribute "Sweat Equity" in those projects. The unfortunate thing about an on-line site like this is that there is no opportunity to work together and build understanding and trust in one another...over the years I've found that to be the #1 way of bringing people together...not in perfect alignment, but in a productive alignment....enough on that.

Your second paragraph...

>Let's be clear...any discussion of homosexuality is inherently a part of a broader context...i.e. Sex and Sexuality...it is not, nor have I ever heard it to be, a "sales tool" to gather more members...which some people seem to be deathly afraid of...I get that some folks feel that way, but such a scenario never even enters my mind...back to Sex & Sexuality...this is vital education, that frankly not a lot of adults/parents understand...I know this because my wife and I did a stint in our Diocese teaching "Marriage Preparation" for engaged couples...trust me...the majority had no idea what the term "Sexuality" meant, even after all the years of living with their parents...therefore, I am convinced that total reliance on parents exclusively in this area is a recipe for disaster...BUT, that doesn't mean the parents involvement should in any way be curtailed...just "Added to".

>I trust that you have read all the objectives and guidelines that Oregon has for sex education in public schools...I did a quick review and it is extensive...what are your experiences in dealing with the teachers there on this subject?...are you comfortable with what's going on there?...

Your third paragraph...

>I'm sure there are significant differences in content and volume of sex education within the school system depending on grade level...I'm also trusting that professionals, along with PTAs, have and are working on such issues, so I'm not going to offer an uninformed opinion on the matter of whether any grades should be totally unaddressed by the subject...it wouldn't surprise me if any mention of Sex Education in kindergarten or the first two grades was simply brief 'reactionary' counseling to relevant incidents that might arise...but that's just me.

In closing, i agree with you on the need to encourage parents to get active in this arena...but also I feel that they should embrace well-intentioned and well-constructed school Sex & Sexuality programs delivered by their teachers...and I must say that the Florida bill appears to try and hide any discussion of homosexuality...not good, or realistic.


Replies to: "I think we're on a good track here..."

  • Disney employees planning to walk out tomorrow - Nigel Tufnel - 11:37am 3/21/22 (100) [View All]
    • Imagine your reaction to a “Don’t Say Christ” bill introduced to ensure that the separation of - TyroneIrish - 3:03pm 3/21/22
      • Something like a separation of Church and State law? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:09pm 3/21/22
        • Exactly...both situations are absurd...there is no need for either one...although the Florida bill [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:31pm 3/21/22
          • It is necessary with the types of people running school boards. - Stark Raving Dad - 3:36pm 3/21/22
            • Show us a school board that has a curriculum with lesson plans for K-3 students that talks about - TyroneIrish - 3:53pm 3/21/22
              • From Out Magazine...you may already have a subscription. [LINK] - Stark Raving Dad - 4:12pm 3/21/22
                • Thanks for that...really...here's some additional supportive material I found on this topic... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:58pm 3/21/22
                  • Do I find anything wrong with what? Teaching kids to behave respectfully with their classmates? - Stark Raving Dad - 6:07pm 3/21/22
                    • Now this is the kind of response we can work off of...well done, Stark... - TyroneIrish - 7:26pm 3/21/22
                      • Thanks! Got a new laptop. It does most of the typing for me. - Stark Raving Dad - 10:29pm 3/21/22
                        • I think we're on a good track here... - TyroneIrish - 11:56pm 3/21/22
                • So there're many states where this indoctrination is being taught.Wise to get ahead of it.DeSantis24 [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 4:22pm 3/21/22
                • How long have you held your subscription? [NT] - jimbasil - 4:15pm 3/21/22
                  • Nah, just a quick google search. To answer Ty. This won't be in his edition "Puppy Poodle Paradise" - Stark Raving Dad - 4:19pm 3/21/22
                    • So you have many editions but you're not a subscriber, interesting! [NT] - jimbasil - 4:27pm 3/21/22
                      • Ummm...what? Not sure I get it, but I am sure it was clever in your mind. Anyway...for Ty. - Stark Raving Dad - 4:31pm 3/21/22
                        • How would you know which edition it is in? Hmmmmm? [NT] - jimbasil - 4:38pm 3/21/22
                          • AHHHH. Ok, Ok,...now I getcha.... - Stark Raving Dad - 4:43pm 3/21/22
        • Hey! That's a great idea Ned. Wonder why no one ever thought of that! [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 3:23pm 3/21/22
    • The elephant in the room: genetic or developmental arrest? - Curly1918 - 12:43pm 3/21/22
      • One thing we do know is that LGBTQ+ persons are being unfairly discriminated against, - TyroneIrish - 3:49pm 3/21/22
      • Their desire to indoctrinate reveals that they think this is developmental. - NedoftheHill - 1:25pm 3/21/22
    • Presume they're embarrassed that Disney is responsible for The View... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:24pm 3/21/22
    • You are making it up. That's not what the walkout is about. It's not about teaching gender in K - 3 - jimbasil - 11:52am 3/21/22
      • These dipshits think that if you mention gay people to 3rd graders it might make them gay - Chris94 - 1:16pm 3/21/22
        • How would you explain "queerness" to kids? And why would you make a big deal about it to kids? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:04pm 3/21/22
          • You just tell them that some families have two daddies and some have two mommies - Chris94 - 3:30pm 3/21/22
            • Start up a liberal/LGBTQ school&do that with your own kids if you choose.Don't normalize it to other - BaronVonZemo - 3:37pm 3/21/22
              • You don't need to "normalize" it. It is already normal. Gay people are here to stay. Sorry! [NT] - Chris94 - 3:39pm 3/21/22
                • Why tell them that? - NedoftheHill - 10:01pm 3/23/22
                • Not trying to get rid of anyone.Just not normal to all.Keep your beliefs off of other people's kids. - BaronVonZemo - 4:04pm 3/21/22
                  • Please keep your "abnormal" beliefs to yourself...the majority of U.S. Catholics accept homosexuals. [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:15pm 3/21/22
                    • Wait a second... heterosexuality is "abnormal" to you? Have you told your wife? - Stark Raving Dad - 4:25pm 3/21/22
                      • I'm sorry, Stark...I forgot that you have no ability to discern "sarcasm"...at all...nonetheless, - TyroneIrish - 4:45pm 3/21/22
                        • Well, in my defense who the fuck knows with you. - Stark Raving Dad - 4:49pm 3/21/22
                          • You have no defense, which is why you resort to bitterness, falsehoods and anger, instead of - TyroneIrish - 5:06pm 3/21/22
                            • Ah yes.... - Stark Raving Dad - 6:09pm 3/21/22
        • It won't make them gay if they're wearing masks. [NT] - Irishize - 1:54pm 3/21/22
        • With all due respect, screw you. You wanna teach the birds and the birds to your kids? Go for it. - Stark Raving Dad - 1:37pm 3/21/22
          • Yes, they will be teaching them about anal and strap-ons. - Chris94 - 1:48pm 3/21/22
            • Why would they be talking about people who do those things at all? Why not math or English? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:13pm 3/21/22
            • Great. You conduct the presentation, proper usage with kiddos? [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:59pm 3/21/22
          • Chris enjoys having teachers do his job for him. I can’t tell you how many times - TampaIrish - 1:43pm 3/21/22
            • At home you can shelter your kids from all kinds of stuff - Chris94 - 1:51pm 3/21/22
              • They're exposed plenty already on all TV/sports/etc.. It's about validation by authority [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:40pm 3/21/22
              • Do you think parents have a right to make choices like that in raising their kids? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:01pm 3/21/22
                • Of course not. We know the Left's view on this & heard it voiced by Va school board members. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:41pm 3/21/22
                  • The fact that he won't answer is a bit disturbing. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 7:02pm 3/21/22
              • Help me out here? How is letting him follow an approved Florida curriculum and keeping him - TampaIrish - 2:15pm 3/21/22
          • It's not being taught - Nigel got it wrong and you are getting it wrong. Just Stop! [NT] - jimbasil - 1:38pm 3/21/22
            • My sister taught in Madison for 25yrs- yes it is. Absolutely it is. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:43pm 3/21/22
        • The bill should actually read K-12. Leave the whole sex thing to the parents. Or........... - ELP - 1:28pm 3/21/22
      • If teachers don't talk about sex to K-3 kids, then why can't FL ban it to make sure? - Cole - 12:45pm 3/21/22
        • Yes - "If teachers don't talk about sex to K-3 kids, then why should FL invent an issue"? [NT] - jimbasil - 12:50pm 3/21/22
          • How do you know they aren't? Please enlighten me on this. Don't point a question back at me - TampaIrish - 12:51pm 3/21/22
            • You make the claim there is sex education being taught in Florida's K - 3. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:56pm 3/21/22
              • So, your point is "gay education" is not necessarily "sex education"? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:19pm 3/21/22
                • Really? I posted the reason for the walkout and how Nigel got it wrong and you post that. Genius. - jimbasil - 3:48pm 3/21/22
                  • Dodge! You should probably be worried that you can't state your views frankly w/o people laughing. - NedoftheHill - 7:04pm 3/21/22
      • Is this an important issue for you? Talking about sex to kindergartners? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:12pm 3/21/22
        • It's absolutely vital for the LBGers to get to the kids as early as possible. - Stark Raving Dad - 12:52pm 3/21/22
          • This is the essence of their push for this. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:44pm 3/21/22
          • Exhibit A [NT] - Chris94 - 1:17pm 3/21/22
            • Damn right. Stay the fuck away from my kids. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:20pm 3/21/22
              • Teachers? [NT] - jimbasil - 1:33pm 3/21/22
                • Politicians. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:38pm 3/21/22
                  • So you're saying the State should stop with these stupid pointless bills that only stir rage. [NT] - jimbasil - 1:39pm 3/21/22
                    • If the bill is stupid and pointless, wouldn't that make the rage equally stupid and pointless? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:39pm 3/21/22
                      • Well, there's no one more clever than you! [NT] - jimbasil - 3:49pm 3/21/22
        • Which issue? [NT] - jimbasil - 12:15pm 3/21/22
          • (rolleyes) Talking about sex to kindergartners, which the bill prohibits. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:15pm 3/21/22
            • Why would you engage with him? [NT] - notredame678 - 12:45pm 3/21/22
              • Valid question. I usually regret it. Funny when he accuses others of dodging a question, though. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:08pm 3/21/22
            • The issue I have a problem with is nigel getting the information incorrect. It's rage for rage sake - jimbasil - 12:20pm 3/21/22
              • How would you discuss queerness with a kindergartner without discussing sex? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:08pm 3/21/22
                • Um, why would I? I'm not a schoolteacher. Are you? - jimbasil - 1:14pm 3/21/22
                  • Nice dodge, but what does it gain you? How would a teacher discuss queerness w/o discussing sex? - NedoftheHill - 1:20pm 3/21/22
                    • I've not defended the law or the walkout. I posted the exact reason for the walkout. - jimbasil - 1:32pm 3/21/22
                      • Not bold enough to take a stand on the issue? Not surprising. - NedoftheHill - 3:04pm 3/21/22
                        • Who cares what you think? My stance has been, if you post a story, be factual. I corrected his post. - jimbasil - 3:51pm 3/21/22
      • Again, if they want to walk out over this, so be it. If they wish to quit and relocate to a - TampaIrish - 12:04pm 3/21/22
        • The teachers are teaching - what the bill says is, a teacher can't - jimbasil - 12:15pm 3/21/22
          • Do you have kids who go to Florida schools? Know anyone down here who has kids going to Florida - TampaIrish - 12:22pm 3/21/22
            • You are desperate to make a point - you haven't one. I corrected Nigel's post - that's all. - jimbasil - 12:27pm 3/21/22
              • And they have the right to walk out. So be it, if they don't like, find another - TampaIrish - 12:41pm 3/21/22
                • "they have the right to walk out." [NT] - jimbasil - 12:50pm 3/21/22
                  • "and if they don't like it, find another state to live". Maybe a - TampaIrish - 12:52pm 3/21/22
                    • Or you could move - Seeing that's how you feel. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:56pm 3/21/22
                      • Nope. I'm quite happy with my Republican state. These people that aren't happy can get the fuck - TampaIrish - 1:00pm 3/21/22
      • As predicted, there are actually people who defend this. God bless you. [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 11:56am 3/21/22
        • As predicted, you can't get anything correct. I gave you the bill and the reason for the walkout. - jimbasil - 12:04pm 3/21/22
          • There is nothing incorrect in my post - absolutely nothing. You are proving my point. - Nigel Tufnel - 12:38pm 3/21/22
            • "in protest over the company’s response to the FL bill that prohibits the teaching of gender - jimbasil - 12:55pm 3/21/22
    • Disney's CEO egged this on. He gets what he deserves. [NT] - Cole - 11:49am 3/21/22
      • He showed weakness and invited this. You'd think a CEO would know better. - NedoftheHill - 12:11pm 3/21/22
    • Let them walk out. As you stated, this is for grades K-3. Why would teachers feel the need to have - TampaIrish - 11:46am 3/21/22
    • Are they walking out to protest the bill or to protest relocating the imagineers? - LanceManion - 11:39am 3/21/22
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