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Thank you for removing any insinuation of improper behavior on my part...please, let's not have to

Author: TyroneIrish (20470 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 2:16 am on Apr 26, 2022
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deal with this again...

Now, as to your comments, paragraph by paragraph...
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>I'm still not sure what the "behavior" is that I shouldn't be defending...is it the Transgender people's, or others?...please clarify..
>You make constant reference to "Treatment", but don't define it...I will tell you that if it's anything like "Conversion Therapy", then I'll let you in on a secret...it is essentially debunked by virtually the entire mental health community...plus, it truly has been shown to be VERY HARMFUL...but, I'll let you define what it is you're thinking of.
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>I'm hearing you say that you are not at all coercive on such matters, but the Democrats are...I'd like to see an example of how the Dems are coercing anyone. IMO, the Dems are doing their best to fend off those who would marginalize and discriminate against LGBTQ persons (don't deny that isn't happening)...not sure how anyone can spin this as harmful coercion.
>You - and others - keep saying that Dems are acting as though Gender Dysphoria (e.g. "Trans") is totally "Normal"...I'd like to see even one example of this...such conditions are decidedly "Atypical" and are a source of much distress to those who have to deal with it...as such, they need a significant amount of help, both psychologically, as well as medically (i.e. medications and possible surgery)...Dems are 100% invested in making sure that this process is made available to those dealing with Dysphoria...how does anyone view that as ignoring the problem and simply calling it "Normal"...again, give me even one example of any Dem calling this "Normal"...BUT...what Dems ARE doing is striving to build UNDERSTANDING of Gender Dysphoria...ACCEPTANCE of a process (previously mentioned) for RESOLUTION of the discordant feelings/perceptions being endured by a 'Trans Patient', if you will...and finally, ACCEPTANCE of those who complete their process as NON-DISCRIMINATED members of our society...think Caitlyn Jenner, or Rachel Levine who are successfully getting on with their lives.
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>I have no idea what you mean by "changing science"...hopefully, you've seen and read even some of the emerging scientific material I've linked in this thread...no Dem is "changing" anything in the scientific world...just following the science that has been going on for decades...btw, the strong takeaway from all of this work is that 'Environment' and 'Upbringing' have almost NOTHING to do with Gender Dysphoria...you may not like that assessment, but if you're talking "Science", that's where it's at.
>I continually scratch my head when I hear the vague claim of "Grooming" young kids...it's a total fallacy...especially when you consider the experiences in so many other countries...if you've been paying attention to my posts you should have had the opportunity to read what's been gong on in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and other EU countries...laws have been in place (e.g. Netherlands) for over 30 years requiring human sexuality instruction in schools...starting in PRE-SCHOOL (4 yrs and up)...they have among the lowest rates of teen pregnancies and STDs, which shows how MATURE those kids grow up to be when it comes to behaving properly in all matters 'Sexual'...btw, we (U.S.) have possibly the WORST results in those areas, so we should be "GROOMING" our kids to be better teens - and adults - through early "Human Sexuality" instruction (e.g. K-3...and onward)...all it takes is learning how those other countries develop their curricula and deliver them.
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I'm no doubt giving you a very different perspective on this issue...do us both a favor and think about what I'm saying, and perhaps reading some links I've posted....let me know your thoughts...afterward.

P.S. In order to get to your closing question, you need to define what you mean by "values", "behaviors", "treatments"...or lack thereof, that you think Dems are "guilty of" and harm children.


Replies to: "Thank you for removing any insinuation of improper behavior on my part...please, let's not have to"

  • After we are shamed into accepting transgenderism as normal what will the progressives push for? [LINK] - Curly1918 - 12:42pm 4/25/22 (34) [View All]
    • The broad-based adoption of that Google editor that tells you if you are using triggering words [NT] - LanceManion - 6:58pm 4/25/22
    • Here you go, IA. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 2:40pm 4/25/22
      • Still not sure why you think I need to address this. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 3:22pm 4/25/22
    • Actually, what's happening here is 'Progressives' are standing up to those who would marginalize - TyroneIrish - 1:44pm 4/25/22
      • That is disgusting. Equating the plight of transgenders with those suffering from a known - ColeyO - 6:44pm 4/25/22
        • No matter how many times you say "it's a choice", it won't change the reality that it's NOT...I've - TyroneIrish - 8:57pm 4/25/22
          • I'm surprised that anyone with a DS child would let you anywhere near their child, - ColeyO - 10:22pm 4/25/22
            • While you avoid all substantive matter, for the benefit of anyone who's following this thread, here [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:25pm 4/25/22
              • So you send me to a link that has been removed because some were using it to further their own - ColeyO - 11:39pm 4/25/22
        • Thank you. I ignored that part. Pretty disgusting. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:59pm 4/25/22
      • It's clear you don't understand their position when you type atypical. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:08pm 4/25/22
      • "Standing up" in your case means exploiting mental illness for political gain. - NedoftheHill - 2:17pm 4/25/22
        • Again, pure projection...Prime Example: Ron DeSantis [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:21pm 4/25/22
          • DaSantis opposes your exploitation of the mentally ill. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:23pm 4/25/22
            • You just moved the goal posts...go back to your original statement. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:29pm 4/25/22
              • "Standing up" in your case means exploiting mental illness for political gain. - NedoftheHill - 2:43pm 4/25/22
                • The "Transgender" issue has been around for many years without much being made of it... - TyroneIrish - 3:15pm 4/25/22
                  • The Florida anti-grooming law is only related b/c it also might prevent you from exploiting others. - NedoftheHill - 3:26pm 4/25/22
                    • Wow!...you have no hesitation at all about accusing others of despicable behavior, do you...this is - TyroneIrish - 9:36pm 4/25/22
                      • You may not personally intend to exploit, but you are supporting exploiters. Wake up. - NedoftheHill - 11:54pm 4/25/22
                        • Thank you for removing any insinuation of improper behavior on my part...please, let's not have to - TyroneIrish - 2:16am 4/26/22
      • Unlike me, Progressives do not support any "treatments" for these "atypical" conditions. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 1:48pm 4/25/22
        • I'm talking about those who are dealing with 'Transgender' issues...not your 'grab bag' of - TyroneIrish - 2:07pm 4/25/22
          • It's not my grab bag... but there is some relationship between all forms of human sexual dysfunction [NT] - Curly1918 - 3:40pm 4/25/22
    • interesting the psychologist noted says the following: A paraphilia is a sexual problems where the - WestCoastIrishFan - 12:53pm 4/25/22
      • You nailed it. There is no "normal" with Dems except what they decide for us. - NedoftheHill - 1:37pm 4/25/22
        • Pure "Projection" on your part, Ned...Progressives are keenly aware of those with "Atypical" - TyroneIrish - 2:19pm 4/25/22
          • Goldwater was supportive of gays long before the democrats [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:07pm 4/25/22
            • For the record, I also oppose government regulations on consenting behavior. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:12pm 4/25/22
          • You find wounded people, and keep them wounded (or make it worse) for political gain. - NedoftheHill - 2:49pm 4/25/22
            • The issue is incredibly complex and current studies deem the root causes to be - TyroneIrish - 3:31pm 4/25/22
              • Modern day Lysenkoism, pure and simple. It is "complicated" because you want it to be complicated. - NedoftheHill - 4:22pm 4/25/22
                • You can go down that rabbit hole (Lysenkoism) if you'd like, but attached are some very recent peer- [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 9:16pm 4/25/22
                  • If Lysenko were alive today, I'm sure he would have many links and articles to show us. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:59pm 4/25/22
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