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You could ask political Larry what the Church teaches, but why not ask the Church what it teaches?

Author: NedoftheHill (44682 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 6:29 pm on May 5, 2022
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You seem to want to make this issue more complex than it actually is. Here is what the Church says.

Abortion

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81

2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence."82

2275 "One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival."83

"It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material."84

"Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity"85 which are unique and unrepeatable.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "You could ask political Larry what the Church teaches, but why not ask the Church what it teaches?"

  • "News Flash!"...Abortions did not start with Roe v. Wade... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 12:02pm 5/5/22 (55) [View All]
    • [I can't believe I'm doing this.] No one said it did. Your title is a distraction, not a point. - NedoftheHill - 2:16pm 5/5/22
      • Ned, I'm glad you at least responded...big "Thumbs Up" from me...now let's continue the discussion.. - TyroneIrish - 4:09pm 5/5/22
        • Quick response regarding a threshhold issue. - NedoftheHill - 5:42pm 5/5/22
          • No need to clarify your term...I get what you mean...yes, an abortion stops a developing human being - TyroneIrish - 8:59pm 5/5/22
            • Ok. You agree abortion is homicide. The issue: Is it jusifiable or not? That narrows the discussion. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:58pm 5/5/22
            • You rely on outdated science to say that "faith" changes. But, doctrine didn't change, science did. [LINK] - NedoftheHill - 10:44pm 5/5/22
              • To your last paragraph...yes, I did introduce the "Rape Case" scenario, so let's not avoid it, since - TyroneIrish - 7:43pm 5/6/22
                • So, you support abortion in all cases. The rape/incest discussion is meaningless. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:42pm 5/6/22
                  • While I, like you, would like to be able to parse 'casual' from 'substantive' reasons for - TyroneIrish - 11:27pm 5/6/22
        • You lost me at “I’ll”, what a load of bullshit. [NT] - notredame678 - 4:17pm 5/5/22
          • Wow!...ten words...sure hope you take some time to recover from all that mental exertion ;-). [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:27pm 5/5/22
            • Reading your screeds is indeed a mental challenge. [NT] - notredame678 - 5:01pm 5/5/22
      • "It is not a complicated issue." So says all zealots, pro-choice and pro-life. - Chris94 - 4:03pm 5/5/22
        • Morality is complicated - so say people who haven't invested the effort to work through the morality - NedoftheHill - 5:09pm 5/5/22
        • It’s a State issue, been saying for years. Get yourself to your fainting couch. [NT] - notredame678 - 4:12pm 5/5/22
          • You will change your tune. You all will. THE BABIES! THE BABIES!! [LINK] - Chris94 - 4:19pm 5/5/22
            • Get a grip on yourself. [NT] - notredame678 - 5:02pm 5/5/22
            • Interesting podcast - opinion is that national laws would all be DOA with this opinion [LINK] - Iggle - 4:37pm 5/5/22
              • Most laws in the past 80 years should have been dead on arrival. - NedoftheHill - 5:51pm 5/5/22
    • Yay! Another abortion thread! - Nigel Tufnel - 1:56pm 5/5/22
    • People believe that abortion is murder. - Iggle - 1:42pm 5/5/22
      • Ask yourself WHY 80-85% of the American public since 1975 (see link) has supported the legalization [LINK] [IMAGE] - TyroneIrish - 2:09pm 5/5/22
        • I also can switch that to say 70% believe abortion should be illegal in almost all cases, but stats - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:23pm 5/5/22
          • If less than 20% want abortion to be illegal in all cases, how do you make that statement... - TyroneIrish - 4:24pm 5/5/22
            • Are you being serious? Give it some thought. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 6:24pm 5/5/22
              • I can't make the chart of the data any easier...sorry... [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:54pm 5/5/22
        • So you concede his point. - NedoftheHill - 2:46pm 5/5/22
          • I get that many Pro-Lifers (but not all) stop at the word "Murder"...my contention...and that of - TyroneIrish - 4:38pm 5/5/22
            • His point remains unchallenged. You're taking us sideways now, which is fine. Just pointing that out - NedoftheHill - 4:57pm 5/5/22
              • I'll go out on a limb and say that 100% of Americans know what "Murder" is and fully support the - TyroneIrish - 11:28pm 5/5/22
                • You didn't answer the key question of my post. Respectfully, could you please try again? - NedoftheHill - 12:23am 5/6/22
                  • What part of :The reality that it is virtually impossible to discern which case is justified versus - TyroneIrish - 1:10am 5/6/22
      • Ty & Bishop McElory have a poll about that. Apparently Jesus was wrong. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 1:56pm 5/5/22
        • What exactly did Jesus say about abortion? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:09pm 5/5/22
          • You don't care what Jesus said. Your existence is to be right on a message board. - ELP - 3:55pm 5/5/22
          • What does His Church say? - NedoftheHill - 2:30pm 5/5/22
            • You are correct...Jesus said nothing about abortion...but for the Roman Catholic Church, - TyroneIrish - 5:54pm 5/5/22
              • Jesus is The Word. - Stark Raving Dad - 8:49pm 5/5/22
                • You're essentially making it up...there was no teaching on the subject...it has all developed over - TyroneIrish - 1:36am 5/6/22
                  • This is incorrect. Scripture speaks extensively about the sanctity of life. - Stark Raving Dad - 9:18am 5/6/22
              • You could ask political Larry what the Church teaches, but why not ask the Church what it teaches? - NedoftheHill - 6:29pm 5/5/22
            • Tyrone doesn't believe in Scripture. He said it's an ancient text not to be believed. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 2:34pm 5/5/22
              • You haven't answered the question yet, Stark...you brought it up...now back it up. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:40pm 5/5/22
                • I would invite you to address my question two posts up. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:52pm 5/5/22
                  • Oh you of little patience...see my response...all of it. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 5:57pm 5/5/22
                    • I can't get enough of you! [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:24pm 5/5/22
    • 5 Down Votes, thus far, but not one response...each of you knows I'm right about this, but are too - TyroneIrish - 1:30pm 5/5/22
      • It might be that people don't want to read your bullshit. - NedoftheHill - 1:59pm 5/5/22
        • Truth, very tiresome [NT] - ColeyO - 3:19pm 5/5/22
        • Another example of complete disregard for women...read that article on why Pro-Life advocates [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:19pm 5/5/22
          • Ty, think how long you'll get to debate this in the afterlife. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:26pm 5/5/22
            • OMG. Just realized what my personal hell will be. Stuck in a room reading Ty's links. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:30pm 5/5/22
          • Another example of complete disregard for babies. Read the Catechism. - NedoftheHill - 2:24pm 5/5/22
            • The Catholic Church has abdicated the preaching of abortion, homosexuality, & genderism to the NYT. - ELP - 3:58pm 5/5/22
              • Deleted. I misinterpreted your post. My bad. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:51pm 5/5/22
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