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Your logic is inverted.

Author: D2 (7657 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:14 pm on Nov 29, 2018
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If you can't win your conference, SOS would be the determining factor of getting in. The best way to do that is by scheduling quality OOC teams. Playing Citadel, or the like, doesn't help anymore while playing UCF, or ND, does. Washington State would be better off playing UCF (than EWU or SJSU) because a win would really boost their ranking and a loss wouldn't hurt them.

Perfect example this year is Michigan where losses to OSU and ND would almost ensure that they are one of the top 8 over virtually any other school including a 13-0 UCF who plays virtually nobody. In addition, UCF, or other teams with like ambitions, would have an easier time scheduling high quality Power5 teams because a loss to UCF wouldn't doom a team to being left out if they didn't win the conference as well as gain them some credibility even in a 'quality' loss. Just like a 10-2 Michigan ought to be a shoo in, any other team that had two losses if one of those losses was to a 13-0 UCF would have a strong argument to be left in.


Replies to: "Your logic is inverted."

  • The 13th data point will become irrelevant once the playoffs are expanded. That could happen soon. - NDavenue - 9:06am 11/28/18 (47) [View All]
    • If it expands to 8 teams I would like to see something along the following... - Bnieves - 2:28pm 11/28/18
      • This "Power Five" and "Group of Five" separation is bogus to me - MarkHarman - 9:52pm 11/28/18
      • A three-loss Pac 12 team would still get the auto-bid this season. - Napoleon - 3:13pm 11/28/18
    • I don't agree that the conference champion should get in automatically. Keep it as it is. - MrP - 9:45am 11/28/18
      • Then why have conferences? - D2 - 1:08pm 11/28/18
        • Agreed. Let's get rid of conferences. [NT] - ChicagoIrish - 3:05pm 11/28/18
        • Problem is, you truly don't have the top teams playing for the championship in this scenario. - MrP - 2:55pm 11/28/18
          • I'm still confused how auto ins erode the value of conference championship - D2 - 6:05pm 11/28/18
            • I was wondering why you were referencing auto insurance there for a second... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:01am 11/29/18
        • That makes a lot of sense. [NT] - NDavenue - 1:29pm 11/28/18
      • Disagree. It actually makes teams more willing to schedule ND. - NDavenue - 10:48am 11/28/18
        • If the only thing that matter is conference play, why would you not schedule easy teams? - MrP - 2:56pm 11/28/18
          • Your logic is inverted. - D2 - 1:14pm 11/29/18
          • Money? The same reason they do anything. [NT] - NDavenue - 3:44pm 11/28/18
    • No, it couldn't happen soon - Nigel Tufnel - 9:37am 11/28/18
      • Again, you DON'T award spots to the Top 8. So no, Michigan would not be in. - NDavenue - 10:44am 11/28/18
        • And what if your conference sucks? - Nigel Tufnel - 10:56am 11/28/18
          • Apparently it doesn't matter. 9-3 Washington should be "in" and 11-1 Georgia should be "out." - Napoleon - 12:11pm 11/28/18
            • And Potentially a 8-5 Pitt team could be in. - MrP - 2:59pm 11/28/18
    • If they move to 8 teams, I don't think it will be good for ND - NDNEIL - 9:33am 11/28/18
      • Disagree. ND would only have to be top 8. The pie gets bigger. Plus.. - NDavenue - 10:35am 11/28/18
        • Who would have gotten that non-Power 5 guaranteed spot in 2016? - Napoleon - 11:57am 11/28/18
          • Western Michigan was 13-0 and ranked #12 - Mayes1 - 12:53pm 11/28/18
            • And? - Napoleon - 2:12pm 11/28/18
              • You implied there wasn't a UCF type of team that year, but there was - Mayes1 - 3:18pm 11/28/18
                • Not really. - Napoleon - 4:06pm 11/28/18
                  • 2016 WMU and 2017 UCF are in the same ballpark - Mayes1 - 5:59pm 11/28/18
                    • Only in that neither belonged in a playoff. Beyond that, you’re missing the point. - Napoleon - 6:22pm 11/28/18
                      • To reiterate... - Mayes1 - 4:52pm 11/29/18
          • Then Western Michigan it is. Cinderella story! [NT] - NDavenue - 12:01pm 11/28/18
        • Top 8 doesn't matter with auto bids - NDNEIL - 11:21am 11/28/18
    • If it expands to 8, there would still be crying over who is left out. Also, this year at least two - Napoleon - 9:21am 11/28/18
      • Also some difficulty in getting fan bases to travel to 3 post-season venues... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:31am 11/28/18
      • You just don't give the spots to the top 8 teams. Expand to six and... - NDavenue - 9:29am 11/28/18
        • So, if we had the 6 format, three-loss UW or Utah is in. But either ND or Bama is out, if UGA wins. - Napoleon - 9:52am 11/28/18
          • You eliminate the conference championship games. [NT] - NDavenue - 10:37am 11/28/18
            • Wait. You eliminate conference championship games but give the conference champs an "in?" - Napoleon - 10:54am 11/28/18
              • Figure out a way to do it without divisions. Use tie breakers. It's not difficult. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:29am 11/28/18
                • Actually it is difficult. There are 14 teams in the SEC. For example. - Napoleon - 11:50am 11/28/18
                  • I just looked. The Big10 played 8 conference games (in an 11 team conference). [NT] - NDavenue - 12:10pm 11/28/18
                    • So what? [NT] - Napoleon - 12:15pm 11/28/18
                      • You argued that it's too difficult to name a champion if you done play everyone. That's wrong. - NDavenue - 12:20pm 11/28/18
                        • It is more difficult with 14 teams. That's the point. - Napoleon - 12:35pm 11/28/18
                  • They didn't all play each other before championship games started did they? [NT] - NDavenue - 12:03pm 11/28/18
                    • Sometimes they did. Like the old Big 8. Expansion and the idea of two divisions goes hand-in-hand. - Napoleon - 12:09pm 11/28/18
                      • No, I don't see a problem with it. And I don't think the PAC12 or Big12 would disagree. - NDavenue - 12:18pm 11/28/18
                        • Of course the conferences would love guaranteed spots. - Napoleon - 12:26pm 11/28/18
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