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tOSU is simply that much better, but Rich Rodriguez bled them dry

Author: ndunabomber (6473 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 10:36 am on Nov 30, 2020
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Right now, tOSU is at the top of the Big Ten, without any question. While Indiana is having a nice season, they're still a good notch or two (or three) below tOSU in terms of talent. They've had top tier coaching throughout those years (Tressel and Meyer, and arguably, now Ryan Day), and those guys knew how to bring in NFL talent to their rosters, while also developing them.

Those coaches also knew how to adapt their schemes to best fit the talent they were given. They were also fortunate that they had plenty of talent to choose from when they started.

Michigan is about where we were in 2008 / 2009. Still undergoing the rebuilding process and despite a bad year, showing improvement, but the natives are certainly restless.

Hiring Rich Rodriguez was the lynchpin here, where he ran that program into the ground. While some may say that he was their equivalent of Tyrone Willingham (and I don't disagree at all), at least Rodriguez wasn't lazy when it came to recruiting, that he pulled in some pretty good talent throughout his time there.

Lloyd Carr left a roster stocked very nicely with talent, including one of the top QB prospects groomed to play in a pro-style offense (Ryan Mallet), and a pretty good pro-style QB in the way of Steven Threet. When Rich Rodriguez came in, he basically tried to fit too many square pegs into his round hole scheme by forcing a roster full of pro-style players to play a run-first, spread-option offense. Putting in Nick Sheridan (the worst passing QB on the roster) as the starter made things worse.

The offensive line was a group of big earth-movers, who weren't designed to be used in the same way that smaller, more nimble linemen were, and Threet was a bad match for a run-first spread-option offense. Those guys would have done just fine with the 2007 pro-style scheme, since it was based on precision pocket passing designed to setup the run, and that they had a conservative, but effective, zone-blocking scheme that worked well enough.

When Rodriguez made all of the wholesale changes, including changing the blocking scheme to an aggressive hybridized man to man blocking / zone blocking mixture, you saw a lot of offensive linemen whiffing on their blocks, because they weren't very good at being able to switch between schemes on the fly.

By the time Rodriguez adapted the personnel of his team to his run-first, spread-option scheme, the Michigan faithful were already tired of him, and gave him the boot.

You could easily say that Rodriguez being there basically set up Brady Hoke for failure, since he tried to turn that team back into a pro-style offense with no real throwing quarterback on his roster.

Don't get me wrong. Brady Hoke wasn't a good coach at that level. He also made the same mistake that Rodriguez did, by trying to turn Dennard Robinson into a pro-style quarterback, as well as doing the same for Devin Gardner, and he didn't exactly do a good job of bringing in offensive linemen. Devin Gardner and Shane Morris basically got turned into paste, which was quite a shame for Morris, seeing how he had all of that talent.

Still, if they had hired Hoke in 2008, instead of Rodriguez, I think you would have seen a much better run of years, since his methods were a much better fit for the talent on that roster.


Replies to: "tOSU is simply that much better, but Rich Rodriguez bled them dry"

  • How did the Skunkbears fall so fast? Recruiting? [NT] - DonMiller - 5:26pm 11/28/20 (26) [View All]
    • tOSU is simply that much better, but Rich Rodriguez bled them dry - ndunabomber - 10:36am 11/30/20
    • They really haven't "fallen." They are at their best since Carr. - jakers - 10:01pm 11/28/20
      • Perhaps but 3-3 versus MSU and 0-5 versus tOSU. (1-5 combined at home) gets him gone. - TakethetrainKnute - 12:48am 11/29/20
        • Also embarrassing losses. - Napoleon - 8:43am 11/29/20
      • They are done. Start the bus. [NT] - ColeyO - 11:18pm 11/28/20
    • Harbaugh petition: [LINK] - Napoleon - 9:07pm 11/28/20
    • Because warp speed was unattainable? [NT] - ColeyO - 5:58pm 11/28/20
    • I live near U of M... anf the feeling here is that demographics is killing the Big Ten. - Curly1918 - 5:47pm 11/28/20
      • Likely is some truth that talent and excitement is bigger south, but ND & OSU are top 4 . . . - Napoleon - 10:09am 11/29/20
      • I like your logic here and it justifies joining the ACC permanently and keeping USC permanently on - THEISMANCARR - 9:44pm 11/28/20
      • Or bad coaching. UM and PSU have both had LOTS of highly-rated recruits. - murph78 - 6:27pm 11/28/20
      • OSU is on the border of SEC country and immune? That's silly and not true. [NT] - NDavenue - 5:57pm 11/28/20
        • Agree with you on the geographic argument. However, there may be something to the football culture - Frank L - 1:34pm 11/29/20
          • I won't argue with that, but that's not what Curly was saying. - NDavenue - 2:56pm 11/29/20
        • Hmm... have you been to Columbus and do you have a map? [NT] - Curly1918 - 6:05pm 11/28/20
          • That's like saying Indiana borders the SEC. There's virtually zero difference between Indy and Cbus. - NDavenue - 6:17pm 11/28/20
            • Indiana is a basketball state. OSU easily takes the cream of the Midwest recruits. [NT] - Curly1918 - 6:22pm 11/28/20
              • Columbus has Schmidt's German buffet and restaurant. That alone is a major plus. [NT] - ELP - 8:19am 11/29/20
              • NDavenue has a strong point. OSU thrives cuz they got Urban and brought the southern practices North [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:17pm 11/28/20
              • Irrelevant. Ohio is an everything state & has 0 geographically or culturally in common with the SEC. [NT] - NDavenue - 6:30pm 11/28/20
                • Northern Ohio yes. Southern and rural not so much. - Curly1918 - 7:21am 11/29/20
                  • Oy vey. And Pittsburgh is a stone's throw away from West Virginia. The entire rust belt... - NDavenue - 10:05am 11/29/20
                • I don't know. OSU arrest warrants for football players rival all SEC schools. [NT] - oldirish - 8:54pm 11/28/20
                • Correct. This is has been a Michigan alibi for a while. [NT] - Hibakusha - 7:14pm 11/28/20
                  • Yep. Grasping at straws to justify why they can't compete with the Buckeyes. - NDavenue - 7:18pm 11/28/20
    • How? Because there IS a God. [NT] - Napoleon - 5:35pm 11/28/20
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