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A little like the pro's

Author: croaker (552 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 8:28 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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You need to keep throwing it against the wall with your best estimate of the top QB's that are a reasonable fit and hope some stick. They fail so often at both levels that you can't just get one you think will be the answer and think you are done. Until they have proven it, you keep loading up. In the pro's it's a little easier as you can keep that QB once you find him for next to forever if you are willing to pay. In college you need to keep trying to get the best every year because even if you find 'that guy' he'll be gone in a few years.

And yes, it sucks, but it's also going to cause havoc because you'll get more transfers out if you are doing it right, but that's the model for having a consistent contender. No complaints about Book. He was a 3 star that has well outperformed his rating, and is one of the best college QB's in the last few years. He's helped get ND where they are now and he and Kelly should get credit for his development. But....although he's one of the better QB's in the last few years, he's not a Lawrence, Fields, Burrow, Murray level talent.

Maybe Buchner will be the start of a consistent progression of top level QB's. I hope so, but they can't stop and think they have answered the question with him. Sometimes guys don't develop. Sometimes they get hurt. Sometimes they transfer out or get suspended. Regardless, they have to keep pushing for top level QB's every year.

Regarding the O, we do great at recruiting all but the flashy skill positions. We've consistently have top level talent on the OL and TE. WR's is a little more hit or miss. We gotten or developed some top talent, but just not a group all at the same time. Recent recruiting indicates we may have turned a corner on this, but again, you have to keep after it each year. RB is weird. Kyren wasn't an all world recruit, but I'm more than happy with him and Tyree was a big time get, but given the OL and TE's and our success with lower rating RB's you'd think that the top RB's would be banging down our doors to get in. But it seems even when we get a good one, it's a harder sell than it should be and we don't have that pipeline of talent that the elite teams seem to get.


Replies to: "A little like the pro's"

  • Clemson and Alabama QBs moving forward - ryanfi14 - 7:22pm 12/26/20 (32) [View All]
    • A little like the pro's - croaker - 8:28pm 12/27/20
    • DJ I think is a special talent, I remember watching him on the show QB1 however... - Quest4twelve - 9:46am 12/27/20
    • Yes, that is true but no one quite matches Lawrence, a generational QB. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 8:24pm 12/26/20
      • Re: Yes, that is true but no one quite matches Lawrence, a generational QB. - ryanfi14 - 9:51pm 12/26/20
        • He shredded ND quite well. [NT] - AlbanyIRISH - 8:42am 12/27/20
          • Wasn’t it for around 400 plus yards? [NT] - whatsamataU - 9:46am 12/27/20
        • So could Buchner. Nobody knows right now. [NT] - NDavenue - 10:47pm 12/26/20
          • We know that Kelly likes QBs that can run and wouldn’t take a big arm that can’t run [NT] - holybull101 - 12:21am 12/27/20
            • People seem to forget Gunner Kiel was a 5 star and the #1 Pro style QB in his class. [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 9:59am 12/27/20
              • No, we remember that was a down year for QBs, and Kiel was Kelly's plan B after Maty Mauk - holybull101 - 12:07pm 12/29/20
              • Kiel would have done well - ndunabomber - 10:30am 12/29/20
            • We really don’t know that at all. He preferred Rees - jimbasil - 8:48am 12/27/20
              • He could throw, but... - ndunabomber - 10:27am 12/29/20
              • Crist started until his 2d major injury. Great kid, but never the same player after that. Dane had - ND521 - 12:39pm 12/27/20
                • i remember that Michigan game where Crist was temporarily blinded, poor kid [NT] - holybull101 - 12:03pm 12/29/20
              • Those who can, do. Those who can’t, coach. Or something like that. [NT] - whatsamataU - 9:48am 12/27/20
              • He had Golson ahead of Rees and Rees had to be ahead of Crist, who got hurt and Hendrix. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 9:26am 12/27/20
            • He'll take a big arm who can run. - NDavenue - 7:51am 12/27/20
              • He’s stated in the past he looks for guys that can extend plays with their - holybull101 - 8:55am 12/27/20
                • I think it is absolutely necessary to have QBs that can do both these days. Even in the NFL - THEISMANCARR - 9:29am 12/27/20
                  • I thought the same when I saw Golson play, then I saw Zaire and realized this could go bad - holybull101 - 12:15pm 12/27/20
    • Buchner will be arriving soon. He should be groomed to be our starter. He is a true talent. [NT] - Irishize - 7:36pm 12/26/20
      • The grooming is the scary part with Kelly... [NT] - whatsamataU - 9:45am 12/27/20
      • How do you know this? The two elite QBs this year are going to Georgia and Washington [NT] - holybull101 - 12:24am 12/27/20
      • Re: Buchner will be arriving soon. He should be groomed to be our starter. He is a true talent. - ryanfi14 - 7:39pm 12/26/20
    • Yes, we know, i think Kellys best shot at an elite QB had to be Eason - holybull101 - 7:27pm 12/26/20
      • Eason looked at our QBs and passed. Kizer as starter, Zaire coming back & Brandon had arrived. [NT] - ND521 - 12:51pm 12/27/20
      • Where is Eason now? I remember the name but where did he go and how has he done? [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 8:25pm 12/26/20
        • He's the Colts 3rd string QB. - AlbanyIRISH - 8:49am 12/27/20
          • Who got beat out by Fromm at UGA, who is now 3d string QB w/the Bills. [NT] - ND521 - 1:04pm 12/27/20
        • Eason was the only 5 star QB that has shown any interest in the program, Kelly is recruiting 3 and 4 - holybull101 - 8:47pm 12/26/20
          • Ex-Kiel, who spent his time at ND playing video games & Blake Barnett, a 5* bust who de-committed. [NT] - ND521 - 1:14pm 12/27/20
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