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It comes down to this: Pyne is not a starter and simply cannot be the #2 next year. The staff is ex

Author: tky21 (2013 Posts - Joined: May 13, 2010)
Posted at 6:53 pm on Nov 24, 2022
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cited about Buchner and what the offense can be with him but are worried about injuries with him. I think the chance of injury for him is much less given how the offensive line has come together and continues to grow this season. I expect the OL to be very good next year and the running game should be outstanding. If he gets the protection they are providing this year, I expect him and the offense to be very good next year.

However, if he gets injured, it can't be Pyne. With all due respect to Drew Pyne, a great ND kid that has balled out to the best of his very limited abilities and we thank him for that, we absolutely can't do this again next year and the coaching staff knows it. So, it comes down to how they feel about Angeli. Is Angeli capable of being a very good FBS quarterback next year that can make all the throws and not limit the offense? If he can, I don't think we bring in a transfer. I think Freeman would prefer not to bring in a transfer at that position if he does not have to but if they are not confident in Angeli, they almost have to bring in a transfer. Minchey will need (and should get) a year to develop and acclimate to the system.

One note, though. You mentioned we would have 5 scholarship QB's if we took a transfer. I actually count 6: Buchner, Angeli, Pyne, Minchey, Powlus and transfer QB. Six scholarship QBs is far too many. That being said, the two least talented and capable of the bunch (Pyne and Powlus) are the least likely to transfer. That means we'd be keeping those two and unloading someone more talented and capable and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Angeli is 6'3", 215 pounds, more than adequate arm strength and zip on the ball, is supposedly unflappable and has been taking all of the #2 reps this year since Buchner was injured. Only the staff knows how he has been playing in practice and Freeman says they have full confidence in him. So, it comes down to what the staff thinks. Are they comfortable with:

QB1: Buchner
QB2: Angeli
QB3: Minchey/Pyne

If Buchner gets injured, Angeli would start in his absence and Minchey would get the majority of the #2 reps. Pyne would get some #2 reps and would be an emergency QB that could be trusted to run the very limited offense we currently run in the case Angeli gets hurt and Minchey isn't ready or he could split the time with Minchey in that case.

If they are not comfortable with that or if there is a real blockbuster, game changing QB out there, they should take a transfer. Given the OL play, two possible 1st Rd. offensive tackles on either side, excellent TE's, a great running game, an emerging set of really good WRs, an excellent defense and a top 5-10 program in the country, we should be appealing to a bunch of QBs that are looking.

So, none of us know because we don't know about Angeli. But I agree with you that being in a position of possibly having to take a transfer QB when there are already 5 scholarship QBs on the roster is not a good position to be in.


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Replies to: "It comes down to this: Pyne is not a starter and simply cannot be the #2 next year. The staff is ex"

  • Unpopular opinion - ND should forego a transfer portal QB - MarkHarman - 5:48pm 11/24/22 (41) [View All]
    • If you can upgrade, do it! [NT] - bobdrake - 9:42am 11/25/22
    • Personally, I get the "feel" that the team responds best with Pyne. Can't really prove it. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:25am 11/25/22
      • On the flip side, seems like Buchner has physical talent but not on-field leadership. Team seems to - jrdjr84 - 11:21am 11/25/22
        • It is normal to take charge more with the backup. Pyne makes enough plays to help us, just not - THEISMANCARR - 6:13pm 11/26/22
        • Anyone playing with that awfully-performing offensive line will have leadership issues - ndunabomber - 2:07pm 11/25/22
          • And be at risk to get injured [NT] - b2runn - 3:29pm 11/25/22
      • I'm sure they love it when he barely completes 50% of his passes. - AlbanyIRISH - 10:57am 11/25/22
        • 61% YTD, 19 TDs and only 5 INTs - WoodstockIrish - 11:06am 11/25/22
    • It’s a decision not to be competitive…..just making that clear. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:47am 11/25/22
    • I posted here several times,,.I'm dead set against, - cubsfanin16 - 8:58pm 11/24/22
      • It all depends if they think Angeli is capable of stepping in if Buchner gets hurt next year. I - tky21 - 9:21pm 11/24/22
        • Re: It all depends if they think Angeli is capable of stepping in if Buchner gets hurt next year. I - b2runn - 9:50pm 11/24/22
          • Yes. And we really can't rely on Buchner either. So there better be someone else one way or another - tky21 - 10:34pm 11/24/22
    • Whatever options that might actually exist in the transfer portal might not even be worth pursuing. - b2runn - 8:29pm 11/24/22
    • Buchner is an injury risk, Pyne isn't a starter, that leaves Angeli and Minchey. - iairishcheeks - 7:22pm 11/24/22
      • I agree with this. Only thing we don't know is how good Angeli is. Buchner is an injury risk and - tky21 - 7:45pm 11/24/22
    • “Buchner threw well” is the unpopular opinion [NT] - holybull101 - 6:57pm 11/24/22
      • Buchner threw well. No problem with his arm. Terrible protection, no running game, bad - tky21 - 7:16pm 11/24/22
        • You know what they say about excuses... [NT] - oldirish - 9:54pm 11/24/22
        • if he had great touch on the long ball, ND would have beaten Marshall and Styles would have had a TD - WestCoastIrishFan - 8:46pm 11/24/22
          • Geez a lot of long passes by pros and good college quarterbacks are missed long and short. Not as - THEISMANCARR - 11:11am 11/25/22
          • I said he "showed great touch on the deep ball." I didn't say he was automatic. The throw to Lenzy - tky21 - 9:07pm 11/24/22
            • Admit it, you have a thing for him - WoodstockIrish - 6:35am 11/25/22
        • Is there another Buchner on the team? - WoodstockIrish - 7:58pm 11/24/22
          • Some things are debate-able, some things are not. The velocity he can put on throws is excellent. [NT] - tky21 - 9:09pm 11/24/22
            • Your boy crush is getting embarrassing - WoodstockIrish - 6:37am 11/25/22
            • Forget velocity, look at his play and his stats, this year and last year. Underwhelming at best. [NT] - NDQuebec - 12:22am 11/25/22
              • He has the abilities is the point. He can see and has an arm that can make the throws. Any FBS QB - tky21 - 12:45pm 11/26/22
            • Here are his stats this year [NT] [LINK] - NDQuebec - 12:22am 11/25/22
        • It sounds like we have the next John Elway, I’m sold, 12-0 [NT] - holybull101 - 7:36pm 11/24/22
          • If he can stay healthy, maybe 12-0. If Angeli is ready to be a good QB2 behind Buchner, I'm fine - tky21 - 7:40pm 11/24/22
    • It comes down to this: Pyne is not a starter and simply cannot be the #2 next year. The staff is ex - tky21 - 6:53pm 11/24/22
      • You've now progressed well past die on this hill and are on to, die on this mountain range. [NT] - oldirish - 9:56pm 11/24/22
      • How is it you know so much about Buchner but somehow know nothing about Buchner - WoodstockIrish - 8:02pm 11/24/22
        • Nothing about my post indicates that I "know so much" about Buchner. [NT] - tky21 - 9:02pm 11/24/22
          • Seriously, you literally are fawning all over him and act like you are there with him at practice - WoodstockIrish - 6:40am 11/25/22
            • We've not seen Angeli. We've seen Buchner last year and this year and he easily won the QB - tky21 - 5:00pm 11/25/22
              • Ok, we agree about one thing.. We’ve seen Buchner, but we haven’t seen Angeli - WoodstockIrish - 5:04pm 11/25/22
      • That sounds like 3 losses [NT] - holybull101 - 6:59pm 11/24/22
        • I don't really know what this means. [NT] - tky21 - 7:18pm 11/24/22
    • Re: Unpopular opinion - ND should forego a transfer portal QB - primo - 6:10pm 11/24/22
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