He was the best we had at the time and would have built a depth chart we are still fumbling through.

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He was the best we had at the time and would have built a depth chart we are still fumbling through.

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 9:04 pm on Sep 23, 2024

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He wasn't the best but was the best ND had at the time and the best option to reach a solid future path rather than going to the neverending rent-a-bad QB model.

Replies to: "He was the best we had at the time and would have built a depth chart we are still fumbling through."

Show of hands. We all love talking ND football. Who prefers discussing objective truths even if - oldirish - 7:36pm 9/23/24 (62) [View All]
- I like people saying what they want to say, but perhaps UHND needs a safe space forum for snowflakes [NT] - humbaba - 10:24pm 9/23/24
- I’ll be objective- please beat UL and win out - nothing would make me happier !!!! [NT] - murph92675 - 9:14pm 9/23/24
  - Yes! [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 6:45pm 9/24/24
  - I agree with this sentiment [NT] - wrdomerson - 9:56pm 9/23/24
  - yessssssss! [NT] - oldirish - 9:47pm 9/23/24
- I like objective truth - wrdomerson - 9:09pm 9/23/24
  - Watch almost any pass play. Plenty of time one, two, three missed WRs. Many wide open TDs. [NT] - oldirish - 9:23pm 9/23/24
    - I'm not saying he's a fantastic passer. - wrdomerson - 9:48pm 9/23/24
      - It's relative. Angeli > Leonard relative to QBs we have. I love you're seeking for ways to paint - oldirish - 9:54pm 9/23/24
        What's your basis for Angeli > Leonard ? - Chrisb - 11:22pm 9/23/24
        It's possible I could be wrong. Data wise, See the QBR posts. I thought you saw them [LINK] - oldirish - 8:27am 9/24/24
        "There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" - Mark Twain. - Clem - 7:21am 9/25/24
        
        I think you are dead wrong on Golson. He could rally a team big time. Came back on Stanford with a - THEISMANCARR - 7:28pm 9/24/24
        Don't forget... W/o Rees, Golson would've had 3 losses in 2012 - Final drive come from behind @ PUR - oldirish - 1:13pm 9/25/24
        That was a great final drive by Rees. He used that player that was Manti's buddy from Hawaii. Rees - THEISMANCARR - 6:12pm 9/25/24
        
        Seems like some good information here, I'll check it out when I have time to do it justice.. - Chrisb - 9:24am 9/24/24
        I don't think a limited 2 quarterback system is awful. Sometimes you have to break the other team's - THEISMANCARR - 7:32pm 9/24/24
        
        We are in agreement on many, many points and close/symantically different on a few others. [NT] - oldirish - 1:15pm 9/24/24
        I think this post is a perfect snapshot to encapsulate our entire coexistence together.. - Chrisb - 7:22pm 9/24/24
        Yes. That small amount of difference is how iron sharpens iron, IMO. That's how we learn and grow by - oldirish - 9:55pm 9/25/24
        
        ugggh… I just posted a detailed response and it failed to load!!! Will do again, but later. [NT] - oldirish - 2:40pm 9/25/24
        Dude, I hate it when that happens! [NT] - Chrisb - 4:31pm 9/25/24
        Re: Dude, I hate it when that happens! [NT] [LINK] - oldirish - 5:16pm 9/27/24
        
        Brutal. [NT] - oldirish - 9:19pm 9/25/24
        
        Excellent post, Chris. [NT] - Clem - 5:34am 9/25/24
        
        That's a great motto. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 7:35pm 9/24/24
        
        You do not consider the Sun Bowl a meaningful game ? Great performance [NT] - ColeyO - 1:07pm 9/24/24
        No, what were they playing for? Angeli looked good in that game for sure.. - Chrisb - 1:59pm 9/24/24
        He was auditioning to be a starter, and was under a lot of - ColeyO - 2:53pm 9/24/24
        I haven't and won't say that it wasn't damn good.. - Chrisb - 6:37pm 9/24/24
        We disagree then, I think it was very meaningful - ColeyO - 7:04pm 9/24/24
        
        * [NT] - ColeyO - 7:04pm 9/24/24
        
        The rub is RL isn't doing it in the game, Angeli is/has. So, is practice really that relevant from - oldirish - 7:01pm 9/24/24
        
        I felt at the time and do as well now. Given the known weakness of this schedule and that - oldirish - 3:39pm 9/24/24
        
        I think we all agree on the fact it’s a sad state of affairs that a $1M+ NIL QB in his 4th year of - WoodstockIrish - 10:08am 9/24/24
        
        Excellent post. 100% follow your logic and agree. - WoodstockIrish - 8:41am 9/24/24
        Thanks and agree. I do think Freeman is embarassed for whatever reason. If not, then he's not suited - oldirish - 1:20pm 9/24/24
        I have a lot of respect for Saban - WoodstockIrish - 5:55am 9/25/24
        I hate to admit it, but Saban is good. I 10000% agree with that take on the portal. He's right. [NT] - oldirish - 2:57pm 9/25/24
        
        You say you want to have a conversation of substance but you didn't respond to anything I said. - wrdomerson - 10:08pm 9/23/24
        1. I don't see the relevance of the botched FG. Optically, yes it looked bad and compounded ugly QB - oldirish - 10:21pm 9/23/24
        The FG has nothing to do with Leonard- - wrdomerson - 11:06pm 9/23/24
        see this post (link) for the point on confidence the team has in a QB. [LINK] - oldirish - 1:34pm 9/24/24
- We all like to be objective but our own bias makes it tough. I think you a pretty bright, Old, but - THEISMANCARR - 8:38pm 9/23/24
  - He was the best we had at the time and would have built a depth chart we are still fumbling through. - oldirish - 9:04pm 9/23/24
    - The thing of it is that Hartman had us playing well and if the coaches hadn't blown the Ohio State - THEISMANCARR - 7:46pm 9/24/24
      - Your recall on specific plays is uncanny. I don't know how you do it. [NT] - oldirish - 10:30pm 9/25/24
- I would be more on the objective truth, that doesn't need to kick dead horses side..but why is it - Chrisb - 8:25pm 9/23/24
  - You are objective most of the time and it's clear when you're on a bent. I use the ignorance label - oldirish - 9:16pm 9/23/24
    - Your MO, I'm objective, unless I don't agree with you. Then I'm 'on a bent' or in the ignorant crowd - Chrisb - 9:47pm 9/23/24
      - Funny... I always thought exactly the same thing about you. Being serious here. - oldirish - 10:25pm 9/23/24
- Win the NIU game and a lot of the MF criticism goes away, but they didn’t. The nature of fans. [NT] - LanceManion - 8:22pm 9/23/24
- You're not privy to many objective truths as it relates to the team. - iairishcheeks - 7:57pm 9/23/24
  - Pontius Pilate said: "What is truth?" We, on this board, are working feverishly on it. [NT] - Irishize - 8:16pm 9/23/24
  - objectively apparently neither is MF or he’s clearly in the willfully ignorant camp. [NT] - oldirish - 8:08pm 9/23/24
  - True, but there are those who try to ascertain truth, and those who live in Notre Disney World. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:03pm 9/23/24
    - Notre Disney World .. now that’s funny right there [NT] - IrishFan82 - 9:33pm 9/23/24
    - Crushed it. The act of seeking understanding is the way. [NT] - oldirish - 8:09pm 9/23/24
- "Does this dress make my butt look too big?" - BaronVonZemo - 7:56pm 9/23/24
  - If you have to ask... [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:00pm 9/23/24
    - Heh. Let me know how that turns out for you. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:04pm 9/23/24
      - Luckily, I don't get asked that question. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:31pm 9/23/24