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Is "Mama Dont Let Yur Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys" warning against homos/pederastry?

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:18 am on Mar 26, 2009
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The thought occurred to me while listening to the song this morning that maybe this song is warning us all about cowboys rather than celebrating them, but you decide.

Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks
Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such

Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Cowboys ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold
And they'd rather give you a song then diamonds or gold

Lonestar belt buckles and old faded Levi's each night begins a new day
And if you don't understand him and he don't die young
He'll probly just ride away

Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks
Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love

Cowboys like smokey old pool rooms and clear mountian moringin's
Little warm puppies and children and girls of the night
And them that don't know him won't like him
And them that do sometimes won't know how to take him
He ain't wrong he's just different (A-Hem!)
but his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right

Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks
Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks
Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such


If you support Obama you are a racist.

Replies to: Is "Mama Dont Let Yur Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys" warning against homos/pederastry?


Thread Level: 2

That's what you get for listening to Willie

Author: StoneFingers (2119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:35 am on Mar 26, 2009
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I've never understood people who think he's great. They generally strike me as a little "strange" too.

Thread Level: 3

Some artists are revered when they don't deserve it

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:50 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Willie has some catchy tunes, but I don't see him as a pioneer in any way. Johnnie Cash did some creative and different things, but what has Willie ever done (besides go bankrupt)?

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 4

Waylon and Willie helped keep country music out of the shitter.

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:55 am on Mar 26, 2009
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For awhile, at least.

If you're saying their "outlaw country" wasn't significant, I would respectfully disagree.


Thread Level: 5

I would also disagree, and not respectfully.

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:59 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Contemporary country music owes its life to Willie. He helped keep country relevant during a period in which the square-dancing, Hee Haw-watching crowd tried to strangle every ounce of integrity out of the genre.

Thread Level: 6

You are giving Willie WAY too much credit. He bridged the 70s country pop with the late 80s

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:06 am on Mar 26, 2009
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revival, but he's basically been doing the same thing all his career. Think the country version of Burt Bakarat or maybe Neil Diamond. He's got his little niche and people like the kitchiness of it (which is probably why the superficial performers today like it), but he's not country's version of the Beatles.

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 7

You do realize Janice Joplin's "Me and Bobby McGee" is a cover of a Kris Kristofferson song, right?

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:53 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Kris, Willie, Waylon--"outlaw country" is the reason country music doesn't completely suck.

Thread Level: 8

You mean the actor? Wasn't he the guy who munched Silkwood's cancer-ridden box?

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:54 am on Mar 26, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 9

Yes and yes, although I remember him more for THIS...

Author: McSweeney (17753 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Mar 26, 2009
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Thread Level: 7

That's "Bacharach"

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:08 am on Mar 26, 2009
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And I'll pretend you didn't just compare Willie Nelson to Neil Diamond.

Thread Level: 8

You have a problem with Neil Diamond? Another good topic. Who is more influential?

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:09 am on Mar 26, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 9

Willie.

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 am on Mar 26, 2009
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But I'll readily admit Neil DIamond was very influential.

So is crotch rot, I guess.


Thread Level: 10

To clarify, I've never listened to any country music other than the Willie-Waylon song I heard this

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:27 am on Mar 26, 2009
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morning on the radio. But, I still hold my opinion with VERY strong conviction.

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 5

You've obviously forgotten Freddie Fender. So they are like Triple H during the WWE's bad years?

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 am on Mar 26, 2009
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During a more competitive period, they would have been mediocre, but because they happened to be around during the trough, they are revered?

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 3

I love posts like this.

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:48 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Take some enormously successful recording artist who fellow enormously successful recording artists list as a major influence and then proceed to inform us how that artist sucks and, therefore, those who listen to him/her suck. Substitute Willie for The Beatles, the Stones, Dylan, whoever, I've heard it all. The funniest part is the response when you ask the person who they like.

I suppose Waylon sucked too, right?


Thread Level: 4

I suppose you're right, nasal tubes and cat gut vocal cords are great stuff

Author: StoneFingers (2119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 am on Mar 26, 2009
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My opinion is of the singer. His voice is terrible. Now if you want to say he wrote allot of good songs, fine. Not that he did any more than many other song writers. He's no god of the industry.
As far as other artists considering him special, sure, there must be some reason. I just never knew what that was, nor has any explanations ever lit a light on the subject. Most of it, in my opinion, is just typical hype. These industries all throw out a bunch of hype all the time, in every direction. Whatever sticks to the wall.


Thread Level: 5

"Not that he did any more than many other song writers. He's no god of the industry."

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:56 am on Mar 26, 2009
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here. Why don't you take a look at how many platinum, multiple platinum albums and top 40 hits he recorded plus top 40 hits/legendary country songs he penned recorded by others - "Crazy," "Hello, Walls" and so on - and then get back to me.

Thread Level: 6

That's no different than allot of others

Author: StoneFingers (2119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:06 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Thread Level: 7

Yes, it is different.

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:15 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Very, very few have sold as many albums, plus almost none have penned as many successful songs. You are demonstrably wrong. There are a few who can match, but certainly not "a lot."

Thread Level: 4

It's the drama geek phenomenon - aka the "actor's actor"

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:53 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Ever notice how the people the theater geeks revere is not the person the rest of the world reveres? It's because they see another side of the person that is pertinent to their lives, but not to the rest of the universe.

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 5

Willie's a poor example.

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Willie's had many, many hits, is one of the biggest country stars of all time and has written many hits recorded by others. Not an example of what you're talking about, at all.

Thread Level: 6

I don't disagree. I was addressing your general point about influence. Willie is a Celine Dion.

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:00 am on Mar 26, 2009
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If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 7

No, she would be the exact opposite of what you're talking about:

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:05 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Someone loved by the masses, but dismissed by the high-minded. Willie is loved by the masses and respected by the artsy-farts.

Thread Level: 8

I'll rescind that - he's more a Neil Diamond/Barry Manilow than a Celine Dion (my Mac point above

Author: TontoGoldstein (11011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:08 am on Mar 26, 2009
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got me thinking of this). Lots of commerical success, artists across genres generally like him, a decent musician, blah, blah blah.

If you support Obama you are a racist.
Thread Level: 9

Actually, I prefer Waylon's stuff

Author: MAS (14958 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:45 am on Mar 26, 2009
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Here's a song of his taking a shot at Nashville:




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