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Vote Democrat if you treasure Planet Earth.

Author: conorlarkin (21001 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:17 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/09/29/ian-hurricane-rapid-intensification-climate/

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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Vote Democrat if you're not an inbred racist moron traitor.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 12:59 am on Sep 30, 2022
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Thank God for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 12:59 am on Sep 30, 2022
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Vote repuplican if you plan on eating

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:56 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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LOL Good one.

Author: ELP (9551 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 12:21 am on Sep 30, 2022
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And Dem chicks put out! Hubba hubba!

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 10:08 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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You people are complete fools. Hurricanes will happen whether humans are around or not.

Author: ELP (9551 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 10:03 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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These are NATURAL disasters....as in nature............as in God controls this whole scene.............as in the left, as much as they want to be, are not God.

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Washington Compost, posted by the worst defense lawyer in the history of the world.

Author: Cole (16175 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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Im sure if we all drive electric cars hurricanes will stop. 0 for 41

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 8:32 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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Link: https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2019-09-22-always-wrong-climate-experts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/

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Still waiting for them to tell me where all that strip mining for battery materials will be.

Author: NedoftheHill (44632 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:16 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Ned, your memory is fading...we discussed this on Sept. 12th and I gave you the attached link...

Author: TyroneIrish (20384 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:44 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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wishing you the best...

Link: https://medium.com/batterybits/is-there-enough-lithium-to-make-all-the-batteries-c3a522c01498

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Thanks. I remember correctly. Your link specifically says my question has not been answered.

Author: NedoftheHill (44632 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:18 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The article talks about the #1 and #3 largest sources of Lithium...you didn't read it, did you...it

Author: TyroneIrish (20384 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:55 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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also discusses the challenges needed for cost-effective mining and processing low grade brines...what more do you need?...all the Lithium we'll need exists...we just have to spend a bit more to get it...not unlike using "Fracking" to get at more oil and gas.

All you need to do is stop procrastinating and read the material already given to you...that's assuming you really want to understand...not a given.


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Will any strip mining be done in North America? Will that be allowed by Greens?

Author: NedoftheHill (44632 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:39 am on Sep 30, 2022
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Or, will we be dependent upon other countries?

Will military vehicles be electric?


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"discusses the challenges needed for cost-effective mining and processing"

Author: wrdomerson (2262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:06 am on Sep 30, 2022
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That's his point, the resource is available, but the answer as to how and where is not actually available. The whole point that I got from the paper is to get people to work on better processes for extraction in order to be able to feed the battery need, because the current supply will not do it. It doesn't answer how, it just notes that the resource is abundant. To reiterate, where all the strip mining will happen is not answered, because the processes are not in place to decide where it will be most profitable to do it.

Interesting as well is that the only environmental impact that they mention is carbon dioxide emissions, which for one was 5 tons per ton mined, and the other has no stat but is estimated to be twice that. Doesn't sound very carbon friendly but I suppose since I don't know enough about the context of those numbers I could be wrong on that. And that doesn't take into account how much CO2 it takes to actually charge these batteries, another thing that the green energy folks continue to ignore. No mention as to what environmental impact removing tons of lithium from the oceans or the brines actually means to those environments either. I suppose the idea is that it means zero, but I'm guessing we thought the same about burning fossil fuels way back in the day with CO2 emissions as well.


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Those are fair points and I posted the article after reading it...and you are right to use the word

Author: TyroneIrish (20384 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:46 pm on Sep 30, 2022
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"Context"...mine is much larger than "Lithium" alone. We are faced with compelling, to say the least, challenges...

1) our accessible Fossil Fuels are definitely "Finite" and will not sustain us for another 7 generations...as BP and the EIA have already documented, the world has less than 50 years of proven reserves left...and getting substantially larger amounts from Un-proven reserves is definitely not a given, nor "Economical"...note: the U.S. has only 5 years of Proven reserves left.

2) The 'Climate Change Process' is accepted by every responsible scientist...the only issue is 'How Long' will it take before catastrophic changes are noticeable to all. Given that no sane person would fail to take action before such an outcome, it is wise to get going on remedies now, and one of them is the use of Lithium-Ion batteries.

Fortunately, the estimated quantities of Lithium needed are 'available', some harder to reach than others, but the hope is that in the same way we used ingenuity to develop "Fracking" for oil/gas, we'll do similar things to access sufficient quantities of that mineral.

Personally, I am not an advocate of heavy reliance on Lithium for "Grid Level" energy storage...the example I use is the UK in May/June of 2018...the island suffered 13 straight days of no wind...if they relied solely on Wind Power, at today's cost of Li-Ion battery storage for backup, it would have cost well over $1.2T...,moreover, the batteries only last ~15 years, so that expense would need to be repeated over and over again...assuming 13 days 'becalmed' was the longest period, and not followed shortly by another calm period of any duration...you get the picture.

This is not to say that we give up on Lithium batteries...the amounts we believe are available far exceed that required for cars and trucks...that's good enough for me...

btw, I'll 'Hawk' David JC MacKay's book again...Google "Sustainable Energy...Without the Hot Air"...I know a discerning person like yourself would appreciate it.


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you didn't know that until read it. Obviously. you believe what the man says

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:18 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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what if he is wrong? what do say now?

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It's "He and She" who wrote it...and you haven't read it either...but, here's another source that

Author: TyroneIrish (20384 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:02 am on Sep 30, 2022
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arrives at the same conclusion...if you read it you might just feel a little better.

Link: https://energyx.com/blog/will-we-run-out-of-lithium/

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Battery Bits? WTF?

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 9:52 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Good luck. Im still waiting for them to tell me if Joe is doing such a great job why does the last

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 9:43 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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poll show 75 % democrats want someone else in 2024.

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Vote GOP if you love freedom for all humans on earth.

Author: NedoftheHill (44632 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:27 pm on Sep 29, 2022
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Destroying the US industrial base just to line the pockets of Dem doners, while handing global hegemonic power to China?...do that by voting Democrat if you hate humanity.

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