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"Republicans Keep Underestimating Joe Biden"...happens all the time here.

Author: TyroneIrish (19703 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:11 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Joe Biden knows how to handle a tough crowd. This was evident last night at the State of the Union, and it was apparent to me seven years ago, on March 20, 2016. On that day, President Barack Obama sent Biden to sell the recently struck Iran nuclear deal to the national conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). This was the political equivalent of asking the vice president to push New York Times subscriptions at a Donald Trump rally. Over the previous year, AIPAC had spent every ounce of its political capital to oppose Obama’s accord with Iran, which it cast as an existential threat to Israel. Obama, for his part, had implied that opponents of the deal were effectively pro-war. As 18,000 AIPAC delegates converged on Washington, Biden was dispatched to defend the administration to a crowd whose feelings ranged from skeptical to hostile. To call this a thankless task would be to woefully understate the animosity in the arena.

What happened next was remarkable: Biden somehow won over the room. He turned on his well-honed political charm, flattered the audience, and spoke passionately about his personal attachment to Israel, and by the time he got to the unpopular nuclear deal, he had the crowd applauding for it. He exited to a standing ovation.

That same Biden was on full display last night. Not known for the eloquence of his oratory, the president instead spoke conversationally to Congress and the cameras. Folksy rather than formal, and straightforward rather than stentorian, the president exceeded expectations, as even some critics acknowledged. “It was quite effective as a rhetorical ploy,” the conservative Jeffrey Blehar wrote in National Review. “Biden played a losing economic and electoral-polling hand with the public as deftly as possible … by leaning into his retail political skills, 50 years of memorized blue-collar schtick, and the laughter and encouragement of the friendly half of the room.”

Nowhere was Biden’s skill more apparent than in his interactions with those who sought to derail him. At several points during his address, he was confronted by a chorus of hecklers led by Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. Observing this spectacle, some pundits tut-tutted at the incivility. But Biden seemed to enjoy it. Far from being flustered by the interruptions, he was energized by them. When the hecklers called Biden a “liar” for stating that some Republicans wanted to sunset Social Security and Medicare, he quipped, “I enjoy conversion,” and proceeded to get the entire chamber to applaud for preserving the programs, turning his critics into props in his performance. “We got unanimity!” he crowed. As the chamber clapped, Biden looked presidential at his podium. Greene, shouting ineffectually from the back while draped in an ostentatious white fur coat, looked like she’d just lost her last Dalmatian.

Anyone who witnessed Biden at AIPAC, or in similar situations over his long career, would not have been surprised by his ability to roll with the rhetorical punches. But Biden’s Republican critics clearly did not anticipate his nimble response, for a very simple reason: They continue to underestimate the man they seek to replace.

Since the 2020 Democratic primary, Biden’s secret weapon has been the low expectations set for him by his opponents. Rather than approach him as the flawed but formidable politician that he is, Biden’s critics on the left and right have consistently presented him as a befuddled individual who is unable to finish his sentences. They have cocooned themselves in clips of his gaffes, both real and fabricated, and convinced themselves that the Biden they see in their social-media bubble is the Biden that exists in actuality.

The only problem with this caricature is that it does not survive contact with reality. It’s true that at 80 years old, Biden is no longer as adept an operator as he once was. He speaks slower and struggles more to control his stutter. And of course, he has been prone to comical verbal stumbles his entire career. But Biden’s experience working a crowd, his empathetic human touch, and his sense of humor remain intact. His ability to unite disparate factions of a fractured party remains undiminished. It’s no wonder that a handful of unruly political neophytes at the State of the Union failed to knock him off his game. He’s been playing it for longer than they’ve been alive.

The refusal to acknowledge and contend with Biden’s strengths, not just his weaknesses, continues to hobble his opponents. By consistently lowering the bar for the president’s performance, they have repeatedly enabled him to easily vault over it. As much as anything Biden himself has done, this persistent misapprehension of his capacity has fueled his surprisingly productive presidency.

Consider this history: During the 2020 primary, Biden was dogged by left-wing critiques of his competency. Some supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders pointedly pushed talking points arguing that the former vice president was mentally unfit for office. One candidate, Julián Castro, even wrongly claimed on the debate stage that Biden had forgotten what he’d said several minutes ago. Biden proceeded to sweep the Super Tuesday primaries and claim the Democratic nomination.

And yet, rather than learn from this experience, Biden’s Republican opponents have replicated it, casting the president as a walking vegetable unaware of his surroundings, only to have him upstage them. Maybe Biden isn’t the one who’s forgetting things after all?
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Voters care about results....and JB listed a number of them last night...two more years to go...even if he chooses not to run, his record will help propel the Democratic candidate.


Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/republicans-keep-underestimating-joe-biden/672997/

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And he's really, really good at this.

Author: Frankx (5089 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 7:06 am on Feb 9, 2023
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Link: https://youtu.be/NM3svGMR-pg

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Indeed. Putin also gravely miscalculated.

Author: conorlarkin (20745 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:37 am on Feb 9, 2023
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President Biden has been an amazingly consequential President. His list of achievements over his first two years is remarkable, especially the legislation that he has navigated across the finish line.

However, his messaging and communication has often suffered, reflected in the job approval polls.

The State of the Union is the best I have seen him — strong, engaging, vibrant, and in command. Very much himself.

Yet, I agree with James Carville. “Age” is not something that just goes away. It is not an issue in which a politician can pivot left, pivot to the middle, pivot to the right. Biden’s age will loom and will be a decisive factor with too many voters.

If Trump is the GOP candidate in 2024, he is damaged. The Democrats do not need Biden to beat Trump. Trump will beat himself.

If the GOP nominates DeSantis or Youngkin or anyone in their 40s or 50s or 60s, Biden’s age, by itself, will make it very difficult to hold the office.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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I agree with that assessment...I was frankly surprised at how well he did in the SOTU speech...

Author: TyroneIrish (19703 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:35 am on Feb 9, 2023
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all the energy and clear thinking you could ask for...he looked extremely comfortable, even when aggressively confronted...turning the whole situation to his advantage...wise...controlled...and 'Assertive' in the right way...again, very impressed...glad he'll be in the WH the next two years.

That being said, you and Carville make a very good point, which is why I said "even if he chooses not to run"...personally, I think he'd be very happy to hand over a Democratic administration with a "CV" of accomplishments that was built on what he's already accomplished to another candidate...any of which would defeat Trump.

As for other GOP candidates, RDS is untested on the national stage...didn't do very well in his debate with Charlie Crist, and is burdened by his reliance on Culture War rhetoric...butur then again, so are all the others...we'll have to see if the Republican Party can put up a clear and believable vision for the future, which will be very challenging.


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Scum Republicans are the new Nazi's and comrade Trumpsky is the new Hitler.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 11:56 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Scum Republicans are too stupid to understand anything. How else could you vote for Greene, Santos, Desantis, Moscow Mitch and comrade Trumpsky.

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You live in/went to college in Berkeley, didn't ya'? You need a new schtick, 'cause some folks...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 2:38 am on Feb 9, 2023
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...in Berkeley have your act trumped.

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Biden 24! We all agree that.

Author: Eli (9473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:59 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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You’re a colossal bore.

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:08 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Did someone here question whether he was a Caucasoid or not?

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:43 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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His DNA has raised some doubts.

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:52 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:54 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:09 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Bunch of empty rhetoric, his actual performance is abysmal.

Author: cubsfanin16 (5480 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 10:04 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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I just read a poll the other day that 62% of democrats don’t want him back in 2024. Thanks for the

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 9:50 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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good laugh.

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Congratulations, Musky!...you win the "Adult Response" Award for your cohort...Woo-Hoo!

Author: TyroneIrish (19703 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:33 am on Feb 9, 2023
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however, you did fail to read my personal comments at the end...i.e..."...even if he chooses not to run, his record will help propel the Democratic candidate."

JB beat DJT in the 2020 debates, and after last night's performance he would repeat that victory in 2024 by an even greater margin...IF he chooses to run, and IF DJT can stay out of prison and win the nomination. As for DeSantis, former GOP Strategist, Stuart Stevens noted that RDS had trouble dealing with Charlie Crist's attacks on his FLA record...Ron got easily flustered...just imagine him in the swing states where not everyone is into those culture wars.

Both DJT and RDS are totally reliant on the Electoral College...the GOP, as evidenced by Huckabee-Sanders' speech has clearly given up appealing to anyone in the middle ground so both would have to run on the MAGA platform, with no record to lean on...not sure the Reps can figure out a way to have the MAGA crowd enthusiastically support any other candidate...

Yes, I favor JB...but it's because...like it or not...he delivers...jobs, Infrastructure, Semiconductors, Inflation Reduction...and funding for programs that get my immediate attention...e.g. brand new, Advanced Nuclear Power Plants...Fuel Development and Reprocessing...hundreds of millions right now and ready to get much larger as the systems come on line...all to 'flesh-out' our energy infrastructure that needs to come on line starting in earnest around 2030...this will continue regardless of whether JB runs again, because that strategy is baked into the Democratic Platform...which BTW, the GOP has yet craft...IMO, they are far too fractured now get agreement on a cohesive message that the majority of Americans would buy.

The only way I see the GOP candidate winning is with sufficient culture war hate to hold onto their base in critical swing states...the rest of the country knows who they are (Anti-Abortion Rights...Anti-LGBTQ...Anti-Non-Whites...Anti-Non-Christians...Anti-Climate Change...Anti-NATO...but 'Pro'-Plutocracy) and as the mid-terms showed...they're not impressed.

Any 'Adult Comments'?...from anyone?


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Desantis had trouble dealing with Crist? I guess winning by 19 % it really showed. Thanks

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 6:41 am on Feb 9, 2023
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for the morning laugh.

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RDS had a big lead before the debate, and as the commentator said in the linked video, it would have

Author: TyroneIrish (19703 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:58 am on Feb 9, 2023
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taken a monumental failure by him in the debate to lose the election...a majority of Floridians see him as "Their Guy" with notoriety in the WH and therefore don't want to consider anyone else, ... but by all the accounts I've looked at, the 'winner' was Crist, for reasons related to his reliance on Culture Wars.

When RDS has to play "Away Games", he's going to have trouble, IMO.


Link: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/25/desantis-crist-debate-moment-ctn-sot-vpx.cnn

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I’m sure Ron is shaking in his boots to debate the great Joe Biden.

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 12:02 pm on Feb 9, 2023
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He's toast. 2 more years to become lucid? HA!. My question is...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 9:57 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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...whom does the DNC put forward..homo Buttinmyjawg?

Keep on rockin' in the free world
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Booty will be to busy with his twins. I think Newsom. He likes to talk about racism, reparations and

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 10:10 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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climate change. He’s their guy.

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Now THAT'S a scary thought! He promotes EV cars, yet when the temps hit 104...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:19 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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..he tried to mandate unplugging EV's due to the AC electrical consumption rates.

Just great...no petrol/gas powered vehicles allowed in his Marxist plans and oh by the way, the Government tells you when you can and can't be mobile.

Meanwhile, I wonder what kind of power are the Limousine Liberals using to run around town in?


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Stop shoveling sand against the tide...it's going to be an EV future...there's no global alternative

Author: TyroneIrish (19703 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:40 am on Feb 9, 2023
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...literally, every country is headed toward that goal and the only question is 'When'.

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DC is still in an infantile stage of development. Li-ion batteries have existed since the 70s...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 2:35 am on Feb 9, 2023
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They are notorious for their loss of power over time.

It was -8 here in Western NY 2 days ago. Do you understand that Li=ion batts don't perform too well in temperature extremes?


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Apologize for the delay...none of what you say is going to change the future...you need to come to

Author: TyroneIrish (19703 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:21 am on Feb 10, 2023
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grips with that.

There are going to be challenges...and opportunities...as we navigate this transition...I'm just trying to get you and others to get past your "Anger and Denial" stages...if Climate Change doesn't bother you (yet), then think about the real data from the EIA and BP on Oil and Gas Proven Reserves....5 years for the USA and 47 years for the World....now double or even triple those estimates...we still have an 'Existential Threat' to life as we know it...especially here in the U.S...we should have acted sooner, but there's no time like the present to get started.

Change is difficult and disruptive...but the tide is coming in...like it or not...so stop complaining and start preparing.


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Shirley you have the mindset to post an original thought, as opposed to links...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 9:44 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Your behavior is that of a shallow thinker.

I left this Forum for 4+ years ago and I return to find a charlatan whom has posed here afore.

You still remain very transparent...come to think of it, I suspect that you ARE still a Trans parent.

How many kids?


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He’s got more links than Bob Evans on a Sunday morning.

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:06 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Thx for ruining me b'fast!...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:09 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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We cool?

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Try steak and eggs!

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:13 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Funny you should mention that. Yesterday morning I made my wife and me...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:36 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Poached Eggs Florentine with garlic cooked spinach in olive oil, atop a toasted, buttered English muffin, prosciutto and 3-minute poached eggs, topped with Hollandaise sauce.

This was made at 11am.

Forced meself to fill up the wheelbarrow with maple and cherry firewood to fuel the Norwegian Jotul woodstove...ya' know, a bit o' the funny for the honey.
I went down to my bedroom at 2pm and caught a Grandpa' nap...zzzzzz.

I awoke @ 3pm. full o' piss and vinegar. Now here i am, still 6' above ground.

Every day is a pissah!


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I wonder if the libs here have ever had that kind of breakfast.

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:44 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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They sound more like a Pop Tarts and Tang
gang.


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Tang? That's 'cause they're assholnauts.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:45 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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The jury is still out on whether he can even wipe himself.

Author: irishsmashmouth (3291 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 9:42 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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That all Depends...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 9:51 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Crack a joke, eh?

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:11 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Just biden me time.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:38 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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He has been in continents all over the world.

Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:40 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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I gotta' go to bed. That was a classic . Well done. G'nite.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:53 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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Author: Hensou (7954 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:54 pm on Feb 8, 2023
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