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This is the shit that shows Bib is not interested in hostages, but just continuing the war.

Author: Quest4twelve (6734 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:01 am on Jun 25, 2024
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While misguided, propaganda media in this country blame Biden for not doing more to get back Israelis with dual citizenship, look no further than Netanyahu's uncontrolled self.

Why it matters : Netanyahu's remarks walk back an Israeli proposal for a three-phase deal that would lead to the release of all remaining 120 hostages and to "sustainable calm" in Gaza.

More than 37,500 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, according to local health officials.
Netanyahu's comments contradicted statements by Biden administration officials who in recent days said Netanyahu and his aides had reiterated their support for the proposal.
In recent weeks, Netanyahu's radical right-wing coalition partners, ultranationalist ministers Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, threatened to leave the coalition and topple the government if the proposal turns into an agreement.


Link: https://www.axios.com/2024/06/24/netanyahu-walks-back-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-proposal

Replies to: This is the shit that shows Bib is not interested in hostages, but just continuing the war.


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I say, send in the college kids for a semester abroad.

Author: iairishcheeks (27294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:44 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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I am a little baffled that anyone has strong feelings either way on this situation, there are no obvious solutions.

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If I had any doubts, you would've dispelled them. Your ability to support evil is impressive.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:23 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Don't recall US pausing in WW II vs. Japan or Germany

Author: irishsmashmouth (3296 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 2:53 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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What about this Quest?

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Hmmm. I guess Quest got in over his head on this one.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:42 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Not sure what you expect here…

Author: Domer From Hell (16417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:11 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Like T3k and Frank said below, Israel needs to neutralize Hamas as much as possible. And you mention a 2 state solution?!?! No way. Not until the Palestinians denounce Hamas and the other terrorist organizations in Gaza.

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I never mentioned a 2 State solution. Point being is Bibi doesn’t have his country’s best interests

Author: Quest4twelve (6734 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:45 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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in mind.

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"Bibi" ... you make him sound cute and harmless.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:05 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Didn't Elton sing Bibi and the Jets?

Author: irishsmashmouth (3296 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 5:45 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Author: irishsmashmouth (3296 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 2:51 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Is there anything you won't swallow from the left wing media?

Author: PaND (2726 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 10:38 am on Jun 25, 2024
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Your first sentence shows no.

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Is there anything you won't be immediately 180 to because your voting card says Maga on it?

Author: Quest4twelve (6734 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:49 am on Jun 25, 2024
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Try reading the article.

Author: PaND (2726 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:20 am on Jun 25, 2024
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Bibi has been a big part of why this situation is cluster. His adamant rejection of a 2 state

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:52 am on Jun 25, 2024
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solution, and his promotion of Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO directly led to 10/7.

Having said that I do agree that Israel needs to eliminate as much of Hamas as possible, especially the leadership. Sinwar was betting that the US and rest of the West would not allow the destruction of Hamas due to the carnage and civilian deaths it would cause. He bet wrong and they will get him.


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Israel has offered 2 state solution in past. Palestinians always turn it down.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:17 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Hamas wants a 1 state solution, and is willing to sacrifice its own population to get it. They wanted this attack. They fucked around too much, though.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Correct. Netanyahu never has though.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:35 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Not sure every Israeli PM needs to offer that. Gaza at least had its chance, and here we are.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:07 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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It was offered by more than one PM. My point is that Netanyahu is and had always been against it.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 5:32 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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He was using Hamas as a counterweight to the PA including giving them some funding rather than actively opposing them before 10/7. He was asleep at the switch as to the real threat due to his obsession to avoid a 2 state solution. His actions and inactions before the attack are close to criminal in negligence.

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He didn't have to fight it. Any Palestinian leader who accepted it would be assassinated by his own.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:51 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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It was offered several times, but no Palestinian could accept a 2 state solution. They want a 1 state solution only.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Why Arafat wouldn’t do it. Why Rabin was also killed by ultra rightists in Israel.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 5:59 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Hamas needs to be eradicated

Author: Fisher01 (6462 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:27 am on Jun 25, 2024
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Hamas cannot be eradicated

Author: Chris94 (36781 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:37 am on Jun 25, 2024
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True...but they need to be eviscerated to the greatest extent possible...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33500 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:46 am on Jun 25, 2024
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The Israelis are just assuring that a new generation will rise to take its place

Author: Chris94 (36781 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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They are showing themselves to be tactically good but strategically awful.

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The new generation was already rising. This is a long war. One side won't stop.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:20 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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All Israel can do is fight them continuously. You can't turn the other cheek when your attackers are filming themselves joyfully torturing and killing children in their homes.

Give it another 100 or so years, and the Muslims might get tired of the violence like the Irish finally did.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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They will anyway. Finish the job and neuter them as much as is possible.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:04 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Exactly.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Israel is defending itself…

Author: Domer From Hell (16417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:57 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Here’s a simple proposal…

If Israel laid down their arms, there would be genocide not seen since the holocaust. If Hamas laid down their arms, there would be peace.

It’s impossible to negotiate with terrorists.


We're all born bald baby!
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I’m not saying negotiate with them

Author: Chris94 (36781 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:52 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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But giving a little thought to what happens afterward would be wise.

And it doesn’t seem like they have given any.


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Can't really blame them after 10/7.

Author: NedoftheHill (44715 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:25 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You Libs have been saying that forever.

Author: PaND (2726 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 12:52 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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Israel is tired of hearing it.

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100% correct.

Author: Domer From Hell (16417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:17 pm on Jun 25, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
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They can’t be completely eliminated. They can though be declawed and defanged for a long time. I

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:53 am on Jun 25, 2024
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support doing that.

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It's very important to listen to what they tell you they are going to do.

Author: Iggle (12628 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:39 am on Jun 25, 2024
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They do not want a cease fire, they are not going to stop, they don't care about their own people. In fact, the more Palestinians who die, the better. There is no bargaining with these people, there is no negotiation.
 



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Exactly. Yet we see Dems support them. One can know someone very well by the company they keep.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:58 am on Jun 25, 2024
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His terms should be Unconditional Surrender.

Author: Iggle (12628 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:06 am on Jun 25, 2024
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Worked for us in WWII, right?

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