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Abortion issue belongs in Medical Offices…not the Oval Office.

TyroneIrish 25780 posts Joined: Oct 8, 2020

Posted3:52 pm on Sep 3, 2024

Abortion/IVF will debated next week…and is likely the key issue in this election…which is why DJT is having such a hard time figuring out which the wind is coming from that would fill his sails to the WH.

Link: https://www.masslive.com/westernmass/2024/09/abortion-issue-belongs-in-medical-office-not-oval-office-paul-chiampa.html?outputType=amp

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Correct, the oval office needs to focus on killing children in Gaza, Ukraine, Russia, etc.

iairishcheeks 30451 posts 7:12 pm on Sep 3, 2024

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  You're touching on the RCC "Just Wars" section of the Catechism...which is analogous to the abortion
  
  TyroneIrish OP25780 posts 8:48 pm on Sep 3, 2024
  
  issue. I've posted about this...try doing a search and get back to us with what might link the two issues.
  
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    It's analogous only to lying scumbags like you. Quit making shit up.
    
    jakers 14732 posts 3:54 pm on Sep 4, 2024
    
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    I don't recall Jesus' sermons on 'just wars' or killing babies.
    
    iairishcheeks 30451 posts 9:57 pm on Sep 3, 2024
    
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      Small wonder...attached is an explanation that should help...also, I've included in the message
      
      TyroneIrish OP25780 posts 12:35 am on Sep 4, 2024
      
      section the paragraph (2309) from the Catholic Catechism that deals with "Just War"...
      
      http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2309.htm
      
      and as you may have seen previously, Pope Francis said nearly two years ago that the "Personhood" of a fetus is a "debated" subject w/in the RCC...and not official teaching.
      
      Now that you've jumped in on this issue...what are your responses to the questions I asked ELP...and anyone else on this Forum?
      Link: https://theconversation.com/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-abortion-may-surprise-you-186983
      
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        I don't care what the pope or the church say, what do you think Jesus would say?
        
        iairishcheeks 30451 posts 12:47 am on Sep 4, 2024
        
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        That's pure conjecture...what matters is what the 'Magisterium' says now...and it is silent on the
        
        TyroneIrish OP25780 posts 5:17 pm on Sep 4, 2024
        
        "Personhood" of a fetus...but also strongly encourages seeking "Life", as well as "Dignity" for all living persons...ergo, the need for "Prudential Judgement" when difficult situations arise (e.g. Forced or Coerced Pregnancies...and innocent nations/citizens being unjustly attacked by others). Is this making any sense to you?
        
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        I'm not a Catholic but I do look to the teachings of Jesus for guidance.
        
        iairishcheeks 30451 posts 6:30 pm on Sep 4, 2024
        
        If I was a Catholic, and I thought I was a member of his church, I would consider what his opinion would be to be far more than "conjecture".
        
        I am pro choice with reasonable limits. I respect people like Bill Maher who acknowledge that abortion is homicide but they are for it anyways because the good outweighs the bad. But I can't accept the hypocrisy of draping yourself in Christianity and supporting it.
        
        It's obvious, Jesus would be pro life. No ifs, ands or buts.
        
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Belongs on the ballot, imo.

ND521 9881 posts 4:10 pm on Sep 3, 2024

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God may not care who wins, but His mother does

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  Supreme Court made a ruling and the left is still bitching. Don't trust the individual states?
  
  ELP 11877 posts 5:01 pm on Sep 3, 2024
  
  You all think you know what's best for states you never even visited before? The left won't be happy until every single unborn child has the potential of being on the chopping block until the moment of birth and beyond. No restrictions at taxpayers expense, including illegals. The very same illegals that you all run away from. We've come a long way from safe, legal and rare. Stay the hell out of everybody's business.
  
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    I keep asking you...
    
    TyroneIrish OP25780 posts 6:10 pm on Sep 3, 2024
    
    ...1) for totally innocent female babies who grow to child bearing age and are forced or coerced into pregnancies they never wanted...what is your solution to their problem?
    ...2) for those same persons, if they choose to have a child but suffer a miscarriage, should they be investigated for a possible abortion?...or if they face a medical problem that could jeopardize their health or life, should they be denied medical care by any physician for fear of them (Docs) losing their license?
    ...3) for those persons who are unable to conceive a child naturally, should they be denied IVF treatment...even if their religion (e.g. Judaism) believes "Personhood" begins at birth?
    
    Asking on behalf of those who believe that all religions...or even Atheism...should be respected, and no one religious belief should be imposed on others...as set forth in our First Amendment.
    
    One other question...Why should government get involved in citizens' reproductive decisions?
    
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      Keep asking. You speak for no one but the party.
      
      ELP 11877 posts 6:59 pm on Sep 3, 2024
      
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        ELP...those questions represent the entire debate...those women are the "Missing Persons" in your
        
        TyroneIrish OP25780 posts 8:44 pm on Sep 3, 2024
        
        incomplete discernment...why do you keep avoiding them?...have those circumstances NEVER crossed your mind?...do you not care at all what happens to them?...or are you admitting that you're unable to exercise "Prudential Judgement"...as in the analogous case of "Just Wars" in the RCC Catechism...and can't make the tough call?
        
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    I trust voters in all 11 states w/reproductive choice on the ballot; the Court notsomuch.
    
    FinnMcCool 891 posts 5:15 pm on Sep 3, 2024
    
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      By reproductive choice you mean abortion. You can't even say the word.
      
      ELP 11877 posts 5:17 pm on Sep 3, 2024
      
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