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Level 1
I’d frame it as Republicans represent people who work for a living.
And who want to work for a living. There are plenty of business owners who aren’t “working class” per se but whose interests are better represented by Republicans.Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.-
Level 2
Someone said: if you have agency in your work you tend to be conservative.
So if you are a farmer or have a small business, you tend to be conservative even if you are lower on the income hierarchy.-
Level 3
I think this is right. People with agency know they are best suited to make decisions not a
Plutocrat in DC.Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.-
Level 4
Oh please. I’ve owned my business for over 30 years. That’s just malarkey.
Small business wants to get everything it can from the gubment just like every other constituency.
You’re a lawyer. You eat what you kill? You have to drum up everything in the office? I do. Don't need lectures on agency from those who work for big business and suck that salary tit.
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Level 5
Well that makes you a good, bad example of what a business owner generally thinks.
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Level 6
At least I am one as opposed to all of the slaves of corporate America who claim they have agency
over things. Bet almost none of them or you have ever had to make a payroll in their lives.
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Level 5
Then you are the only business person I know who wants higher labor costs and more regs.
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Level 6
Higher labor costs? What are you smoking? We’ve been eliminating clerical work as much as possible.
And our profession is one that does need regulation.-
Level 7
Someone’s an angry elf.
(no message)Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Level 3
The two of you are so full of bull manure it stinks through the internet.
jimbasil 55037 posts(no message)Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Level 2
I kinda disagree. Professionals "work" but also feel elite from the working class.
I live in Northville Michigan, an upscale community filled with hard working professionals (engineers, auto execs, lawyers and doctors) and we see a lot more Harris than Trump signs.
But venture just a mile outside into the countryside where the rural and working class live and it's overwhelmingly Trump country.
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Level 3
We spend a lot of time traveling thru Northville for sports at CC. You may be right
Although I wonder how much of that is their real view versus the view those people are required to have in their company/firm/etc.
From a pure policy perspective the Dems are anti-business and anti-worker on many points.
I also go to Cantoros in Plymouth quite a bit.
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Level 4
I feel that many Northville residents are just uncomfortable with Trump's personality.
I suspect that Halley or Desantis would not be swimming upstream so much here, especially with women voters.
I go to A2 often and lived there for ~30 years. We really ought to have a beer sometime.
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Level 5
Agree on all counts. If you are ever bored and want to watch som HS FB, my son plays at FGR.
He’s the JV QB but also the backup on the varsity.Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.-
Level 6
Give me a date and time and location and I'll try to make it.
60 years ago I played football for what was the only Catholic High School in Utah and we won the State title the weekend JFK was assassinated.
We petitioned the Utah authorities to postpone the game out of respect because the President was Catholic but they refused. Boy did our coach give us an unbelievable pregame prep talk.
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Level 7
That was/is Mormon country. 10/11 FGR is home at 4 against Liggett.
All our home games are early b/c no lights.
If it works with your schedule, awesome. No pressure.
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Level 1
Is this solely due to Trump? Or is it (and he) just a reaction to Dem policies?
The traditional Republican elites are ALL on sabbatical... will they return if Trump loses... and if so can they keep the working class vote? -
Level 1
Historical facts tell a different story...here's just one...
...from the attached paper...
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On Saturday, June 25, 1938, to avoid pocket vetoes 9 days after Congress had adjourned, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed 121 bills. Among these bills was a landmark law in the Nation's social and economic development -- Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (FLSA). Against a history of judicial opposition, the depression-born FLSA had survived, not unscathed, more than a year of Congressional altercation. In its final form, the act applied to industries whose combined employment represented only about one-fifth of the labor force. In these industries, it banned oppressive child labor and set the minimum hourly wage at 25 cents, and the maximum workweek at 44 hours.1
Forty years later, a distinguished news commentator asked incredulously: "My God! 25 cents an hour! Why all the fuss?" President Roosevelt expressed a similar sentiment in a "fireside chat" the night before the signing. He warned: "Do not let any calamity-howling executive with an income of $1,000 a day, ...tell you...that a wage of $11 a week is going to have a disastrous effect on all American industry."2 In light of the social legislation of 1978, Americans today may be astonished that a law with such moderate standards could have been thought so revolutionary.
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Level 2
That's the point, historically the Democrats were the working party, now it's the Republicans. I
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Level 2
Not too many "working class" folks can afford to live on your left coast.
This is why you are so out of touch (and sympathy!) with the issues of flyover country working class folk.
And why you rely on "links" rather than first hand personal experiences.
My son lives in a 3.5 million dollar house in Silicon Valley that is equivalent to a $250,000 autoworker's house where I live in Michigan.
His "castle" was originally built for blue collar aerospace workers who fled the state decades ago.
On the other hand, California leads the nation in homelessness.
This it a liberal (3rd world) paradise.
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Level 3
Many Republicans live in comparably priced dwellings there as well, especially in Orange County's
Newport Beach area...so, what's your point? While you're mulling that over, the facts are that Democrats have consistently supported Unions, Minimum Wages, Overtime Pay...and now new essentials, like Child Care Credits...the GOP?...not so much. Why there's any debate on this is baffling.
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Level 2
Yeah, well. Historically the Dems are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and clan members.
If you want to talk about history, let's get going.-
Level 3
No more historically true than the GOP traditionally being the party of the coal mine and steel
mill owners, the factory and clothing mill owners and big business in general. The D’s were the party of the immigrant, mostly Catholic working men as well as of white power in the South until LBJ flipped the latter to the GOP in 1964. -
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On the issue of slavery, Jim Crow and the KKK, that all changed when the GOP enacted its
"Southern Strategy" and opened its doors to all the Racists...especially those Southern Democrats who eagerly took their offer after LBJ inked the Civil Rights Act.
But not to lose the point...Democrats have ALWAYS been on the side of workers...while the GOP has never wavered in its staunch support of Corporate interests...seems as though you've already ceded that fact, so tell Cole he's dead wrong.
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Level 4
Nice try again. Republicans freed the slaves and fought to the death to ensure it.
You people still want them on plantations.-
Level 5
It's not a "Try"...it's a fact...see the attached Wiki Summary with 206 references, numerous
citations and further readings. All the racist former Southern Democrats flipped to the GOP, who welcomed them with open arms. Things changed...you need to stay current.-
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Level 7
Come join the rest of us living in the 'Here and Now' ;-)...The GOP for the last 60 years has been
the "Safe Home" for all Racists, thanks to their "Southern Strategy" born after Democrats passed Civil Rights legislation.
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Level 5
So called “radical Republicans” did. Conservative R’s not so much. They weren’t that big on equality
They fought to preserve the Union that was certainly in their financial interest.
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Level 4
It did not, the Democrat party will always be the party of Slavery.
And Jim Crow, and the Klan.
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Level 1
I have been saying that to everyone and no one wants to listen. It is fact. It did not used
to be that way but it now is.
End of conversation