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Thanks to Ty, it's obvious 100s of 1,000s of non-citizens are illegally voting

Author: MarkHarman (7308 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:11 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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He noted from an article: "The NVRA does not require proof of U.S. citizenship for people to register to vote, only that potential voters fill out a form and attest under penalty of perjury that they are citizens. A federal voting law passed in 2002 also required applicants to provide a unique identification number to register, like a driver's license or Social Security number, which election officials say effectively serves as a citizenship check since both of those forms of ID involve the government checking whether someone is a citizen or not."

In fact, non-citizens are REQUIRED to have a SSN in order to work here. (ssa.gov). The Washington Examiner also reports millions of illegal aliens have SSNs. Using basic logic - something the left is poor at - it's obvious there are many, many non-citizens voting in our elections.


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Thread Level: 2

All you needed to do was Google the question "Can Non-Citizens Vote in National Elections?" and you

Author: TyroneIrish (20682 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:25 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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would find several sources that explain why they can't...and how they would be discovered...and penalized for doing so...btw, most immigrants are smart enough not to risk such a move that could get them quickly deported.

Since you didn't take the few moments to make that simple inquiry, I've done it for you...see the linked article from the "Bipartisan Policy Organization"...for your and other's convenience, here are some relevant excerpts...
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How do election offices verify voters’ citizenship status?

The process of verifying voter citizenship varies across the United States. The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 requires states to use a common voter registration form, which includes under penalty of perjury an attestation that the applicant is a U.S. citizen.

States verify voter identity and information using state and/or federal databases, such as the Social Security Administration or state departments of motor vehicles.[1] By cross-referencing information that the voter provides against information provided by these entities, election administrators can ensure that identifying information submitted on voter registration forms is accurate and legitimate. This hinders those who may attempt to register to vote using fraudulent or false information.

What are penalties for voting as a noncitizen? Does voting by a noncitizen affect their immigration status?

Illegally voting in a federal election can result in a fine and up to one year in federal prison. Additionally, a noncitizen found guilty of this crime may face deportation and revocation of their legal status under immigration law. Finally, falsely claiming U.S. citizenship for the purpose of registering to vote may also result in deportation or denial of future immigration status.

Deterrence is an important factor in ensuring compliance with voting laws. The consequences for breaking federal election law can have a profound effect on noncitizens. They could face prison time and deportation for illegal voting as well as denial of future immigration status, including naturalization. The risk of identification and punishment generally deters the behavior.

Have there been documented cases of noncitizens voting?

A BPC analysis of The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Cases database found only 77 instances of noncitizens voting between 1999 and 2023.[2] A study conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice analyzing 23.5 million votes across 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 general election concluded that there were approximately 30 instances of noncitizens casting votes. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election’s outcome.
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Based on previous discussions with you, this evidence will have zero effect...nonetheless, it serves as a ready reference for any others who try to perpetuate this falsehood of undocumented immigrants voting and affecting the 2024 election.



Link: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/

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Author: TyroneIrish (20682 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:33 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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I know logic is tough for you and Chris, but follow along

Author: MarkHarman (7308 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:05 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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You yourself said there is no requirement to prove citizenship to register to vote. There are 50 million non-citizens in the country, legal and illegal.

I agree with you that "most" are smart enough not to register, but if only 2% register, that's a million people. And I would wager the number of non-citizens unaware they are not eligible to vote is far higher than you think.

The fact that people do not have to prove citizenship to vote is ridiculous. And your article you linked to was factually wrong when it said SSNs and driver's license prove citizenship.


Thread Level: 4

Just read what I gave you...btw, the Heritage Foundation is as Conservative as you can get, and

Author: TyroneIrish (20682 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:40 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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their own study showed no problem...I'll repeat...
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A BPC analysis of The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Cases database found only 77 instances of noncitizens voting between 1999 and 2023.[2] A study conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice analyzing 23.5 million votes across 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 general election concluded that there were approximately 30 instances of noncitizens casting votes. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election’s outcome.
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If you keep chasing fantasies, you're always going to lose...be a winner and ditch all those who are lying to you.


Thread Level: 5

Of course government officials aren't going to research the problem

Author: MarkHarman (7308 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:40 am on Oct 13, 2024
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If they ever dug deep and found hundreds of thousands of non-citizens voting, you can imagine the reaction.

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It isn't happening...and Very Conservative think tanks (Heritage Foundation) have provided Proof...

Author: TyroneIrish (20682 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:11 am on Oct 13, 2024
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take your medicine (i.e. the material I gave you)...even if it doesn't suit your taste.

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False and stupid.

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:47 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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I didn't expect you to use common sense and good logic

Author: MarkHarman (7308 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:17 pm on Oct 12, 2024
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Dems are waiving border laws and fighting to prevent noncitizens from being purged from voting rolls

Author: BaronVonZemo (60141 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:45 am on Oct 13, 2024
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for no apparent reason to Chris who needs research to figure out why. Intelligent people understand that research is for unanswered questions. This behavior has but one obvious answer and is well known.
He knows it.


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Just a bit off-putting to hear a physician speak ill of research...not sure he'd want that quote on

Author: TyroneIrish (20682 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:32 am on Oct 13, 2024
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his office wall ;-).

Thread Level: 4

How can I possibly compete with your extensive research

Author: Chris94 (36795 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:06 am on Oct 13, 2024
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