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Trump won...let's look ahead to what that entails...starting with his #1 issue...Mass Deportations..

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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...here's what former Acting ICE Director, John Sandweg, has to say about such a program. It'll be interesting, given DJT's previous ripping apart of families policy and public outrage over it, whether Congress gives him the funding and verbal support for it.





Replies to: Trump won...let's look ahead to what that entails...starting with his #1 issue...Mass Deportations..


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So, you and cnn linked with Sandweg to invoke regret in folks who voted for DJT. Sandweg, . really?

Author: JarHead4ND (4265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:07 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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In August 2013, Sandweg was named as the Acting Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement following the resignation of John T. Morton.[4] The decision was met with criticism, with critics questioning his credentials due to having no experience in law enforcement.[5][6] In September, Sandweg was probed for pushing Homeland Security Inspector General Charles K. Edwards to stall his report on a scandal involving the U.S. Secret Service.[7][8]

During his tenure, illegal immigrant removals fell in December 2013, which Sandweg attributed to identifying more criminals and a change in composition for removals.[9][10] That same month, Senator Chuck Grassley gave security concerns about the EB-5 Immigration Program.[11]

On February 17, 2014, Sandweg resigned from the position with no explanation


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sandweg

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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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Did you watch the link? He didn’t say anything that was untrue.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:07 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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He did point out the logistical and financial cost which is perfectly valid. He also pointed out that the number of criminal illegals is relatively small and that many are already serving jail sentences, It’s easy to talk the talk to run for office. Actually doing it and affording it is much different. Nothing wrong with making Orange and his minions divulge how they plan to do it and pay for it. Orange has already admitted that he doesn’t know the cost.

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Do you disagree with the contention by Mr. Sandweg that the number of immigrant criminals is a small

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:55 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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fraction of the millions of hard working, tax paying undocumented immigrants in this country?...that's the point he and I are making.

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I oppose mass deportation but illegals should be given a new status: NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CITIZENSHIP.

Author: Curly1918 (16473 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:36 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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Let em stay but they must register under their new residency status (which is different from that of green card holders) and any who don't within 6 months and are apprehended will be deported automatically without any proceeding... as will any who commit any felonies.

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I'm pretty sure the bipartisan Senate Border Protection and Immigration Bill that Biden helped

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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produce covered all of that...including DEPORTATIONS of people who shouldn't be here...and that's why Trump killed it...otherwise he'd have nothing to talk about in his campaign. Now he's going to produce nothing by chaos. Here's hoping your blended family doesn't get caught up in the melee...but for sure millions of other innocent families will be...hope you're satisfied.

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You remind me of the "Business Development" employees at a large company. They always want to tell

Author: jray (3339 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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you that any new new business deal is best thing since sliced bread.........why?........because they have to justify their existence. Many of these business development deals are bad. Same thing with that bill. It just wasn't that great of a bill no matter if it was bipartisan in it's creation or not. Many did not support it. How can you essentially let in about 1.5M illegals per year and call that a good bill? To me the law is the law, the goal should be to target zero people coming in. If you want to come in, you follow the process and do it legally. That's not a hard concept. I know not all people migrating are bad, but there is a lot of bad people/countries out there that want to do bad things to us, and as a nation, sorry, after 9/11, we can't take that chance. People need to be fully vetted.

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Here's GOP Senator Lankford's own summary of what his bipartisan Senate Immigration Bill

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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is and does....
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BORDER SECURITY
POLICY PROPOSAL
T H E C U R R E N T T H E N E W S Y S T E M : S Y S T E M : C A T C H D E T A I N & R E L E A S E
& D E P O R T


The new border security authorities will put powerful new tools in the border security toolbox of any
administration willing to secure the border. It will also set real limits on the current administration to
stop the abuse of parole and prevent our nation from ever having 10,000 people a day crossing
illegally or a record month like December 2023 again.

ENDS PAROLE CATCH-AND-RELEASE FIASCO AT THE BORDER

Ends Biden’s use of catch-and-release through the CBPOne app to hand out work permits for free along the
southwest border.

The definition of humanitarian parole is clarified to stop the daily flagrant abuse of the authority at the border.
This change alone will stop over half-a-million border crossings every year.

MANDATES A COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF THE BORDER

Creates a new mandatory Border Emergency Authority that will protect our nation from having another
month like September, October, November or December 2023, when more than 10,000 people a day
crossed the southern border.

The new Border Emergency Authority is even stronger than the Title 42 Authority used during the Trump
Administration because it also includes new legal consequences for anyone who tries to return after
deported.

No more massive caravans of migrants flowing over the border day after day.
Allows law enforcement in America to control the border, not the criminal cartels in Mexico.
Changes the default when the border is overrun from releasing everyone into the country to deporting
everyone out of the country. When the average number of crossings exceeds 5,000 people a week (which it
has every week but one in the past four months) everyone crossing illegally everyday is rapidly deported out
of the country without an asylum screening. In the past four months almost a million people have crossed our
border. If this law had been in place four months ago, all of them would have been deported out of the country,
rather than released into the country.

When the border closes, it stays closed and everyone is deported every day until the number of people
crossing illegally drops. Once the number of encounters drop, the border continues to stay closed for up to
an additional two weeks to continue to drive the numbers down; It closes the border when we exceed our
capacity to detain and deport so no one is released into the US because of the crowd.

D E T A I N & D E P O R T 1
IMPOSES IMMEDIATE CONSEQUENCES FOR
ILLEGAL CROSSING


Removal is carried out in days or weeks, not years.

Prevents the administration from handing out work permits for simply crossing at a port of entry.

Provides 50,000 detention beds, more ICE agents, more deportation flights, and more asylum officers to
keep more people in custody while processing.

If 50,000 beds is not enough to hold people during their processing, a new expedited removal authority is
created which allows for faster processing and fewer appeals outside of custody in weeks, not years. No
more 10 year releases in the US before their hearing.

REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE IN THE ASYLUM SCREENING

Prohibits illegal migrants who could have relocated within their home country from being eligible for asylum in
the US.

Bars criminal aliens from getting through the first asylum screening at the border.

Bars any alien that re-settled or could have re-settled in another country on the way to the United States.
Raises the standard for evidence of persecution to the higher Trump Administration’s “reasonable possibility”
standard. This alone will dramatically reduce the number of people allowed through the asylum screening
process.

Combines three separate screenings to make the process faster at the border: Credible Fear (asylum),
Convention Against Torture (CAT), and Withholding of Removal. This will quickly send illegal migrants who do
not qualify for asylum back to their home country, instead of being released into the US for seemingly endless
appeals and hearings.

Each of these changes would reduce dramatically the number of people eligible to even apply for asylum, but
together they will be a powerful tool for any administration willing to enforce the law.

PROVIDES NEW EXPEDITED REMOVAL AUTHORITY TO
ENSURE ILLEGAL MIGRANTS ARE REMOVED WITHIN 90 DAYS


Currently, most illegal migrants are processed without screening, released into the interior for 10 or more
years, and placed into a 3 million case backlog—that ends with this bill.

The new expedited removal authority ensures that every illegal alien who crosses the border is either
detained or tracked. Some family groups are hard to detain, so those groups will have alternative to
detention, fast hearings and one limited appeal.

Those who do not qualify will be removed.

D E T A I N & D E P O R T
2
BUILDS THE WALL


Provides $650 million to build and reinforce miles and miles of new border wall.

It also withholds the majority of the wall money to be used during the next administration.

PROHIBITS CRIMINALS FROM OBTAINING ASYLUM

Under current law, a criminal alien could wait 10 or more years in the asylum backlog before being denied
and sent home.

Rather than allowing these criminal aliens to be caught, released, and remain at large in the US this bill
will deny and deport these criminal aliens immediately after they cross the border.

RADICAL CHANGE FROM CATCH AND RELEASE
TO ENFORCE AND DEPORT


Increases Border Patrol recruitment and streamlines hiring.

Funding for more ICE Agents and ICE detention beds.

Funding for effective mandatory monitoring.

Funding for ICE removal operations (flights and buses back home).

Uses direct hire procedures to increase ICE deportation officers and enforcement and removal
personnel to ensure that illegal migrants can be quickly repatriated to their home countries.

THE NEW BORDER SECURITY BILL DOES
NOT INCLUDE AMNESTY OF ANY KIND.
D E T A I N & D E P O R T

-------------------

Plus, the bill has millions in funding for High-Tech Fentanyl scanners at our points of entry....1,500 more CBP officers as well as more ICE agents. You can quibble if you'd like regarding each provision, but in any negotiations neither party gets all they want....THIs is a good bill that should have passed...save for DJT needing it to fail so he could keep Biden from getting any credit....we both know this is true.


Link: https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/FINAL-GENERAL-ONE-PAGER.pdf

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The bill was killed because it allowed too many people to keep coming in unvetted, PERIOD!

Author: JarHead4ND (4265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:17 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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You have referenced the bill many times but have never posted it in full. Why not?

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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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I have provided a link to it, JH...why haven't you taken the time to check it out for yourself?...

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:53 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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it's remarkable that you make a strong statement about it...without having actually seen it...how do you justify that?

The lead GOP Senator, James Lankford, has publicly explained that after many months of negotiations...where neither party gets all that they want...it met their needs and covered all aspects of the issue.

You just lost a ton of credibility making such a statement...I'm surprised at you, JH...given your legal background.

I'll say it again...as I've posted several times already...Trump himself, in 2019, called for Congressional action In order to FINALLY fix the Border Crisis....why can't you see what's been going on...Trump has been playing all of you...he knows what's required, but is/has been lying to you all along.

Literally millions of hard working innocent families are going to get their lives turned upside down for a political ploy. He is the absolute worst among us, and something tells me you know it.


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Well, surprised you may be but given my legal background, as you say I have read it in it's entirety

Author: JarHead4ND (4265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:25 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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Author: JarHead4ND (4265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:25 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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Author: JarHead4ND (4265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:25 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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You are correct.

Author: PaND (2726 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 3:49 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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He will not stop with this BS.

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Skip the detention centers, bus them over the border drop them off, they can apply for asylum

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:19 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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once they're off the bus.

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Do you support immediately deporting violent criminals who illegally entered the country?

Author: Cole (16197 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 12:17 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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Great place to start.

Author: Protagonist (1105 Posts - Joined: Oct 21, 2012)

Posted at 12:41 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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You didn't watch the video and listen to the ICE Director, did you...he addresses that. The kinds of

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:35 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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immigrants you are talking about are a tiny fraction of the millions of immigrants in this country and more enforcement requires more funding...which Congress must provide...we've been through this...even Trump in 2019 called on CONGRESS to FINALLY provide legislation to solve the border crisis....which was done by Biden...then killed by Trump to win this election and keep him out of prison.

You've been played.


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Trump's idea was to close the border whereas JB's Bill maintained a steady flow. Post the bill!

Author: JarHead4ND (4265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:42 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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Don’t think that is accurate. Illegal crossings are always illegal under the bill.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 5:45 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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As I understand it this deals with asylum seekers who have a right to seek it. It closes that off when a certain number is reached.Here is the summary from Sinema’s office.

Link: https://www.sinema.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Bipartisan-Border-Security-Package-Myths-vs-Facts.pdf

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All the Orangeman's problem now. Good luck America.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:01 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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13,000 murderers illegally crossed our border and are living among us. What excuse is

Author: Cole (16197 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 12:56 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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there for that? No good ones.

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Show us your data, Cole...and while you're at it, show us how the millions of hard working, tax

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:06 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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paying immigrant families who are not criminals and living here legally while awaiting final documentation will be protected from having their lives unnecessarily disrupted.

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Who doesn’t ?

Author: Quest4twelve (6734 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 12:20 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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Joe & Kam, which is why Trump is going to have to do it.

Author: Cole (16197 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Nov 7, 2024
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