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It is heartwarming to see so many celebrating democracy again.

Author: conorlarkin (20760 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:43 am on Nov 10, 2024
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America charts its journey through history per the decisions and actions of our elected officials, coupled with the way each citizen meets the challenges of our daily lives and human interactions.

Every four years, we are asked to elect a skipper for our ship. Every two years, our nation takes inventory of the House, and approximately 1/3 of the Senate.

We vote. With each election, we make course corrections. The seas change. The leadership navigates accordingly. The ship moves forward as we vote again and again throughout our nation’s history.

Echoing what I posted early morning on November 6th, it is painful to be on the losing end. Yet, one can only truly champion democracy when we embrace the verdict rendered by the electorate, and tip our cap to the winner.

For voters like me, it is particularly challenging to respect the resounding 2024 verdict in favor of Trump, given that Trump not only failed to accept his resounding defeat in 2020 to Biden, but riled up his supporters via a calculated disinformation campaign that the 2020 election was stolen and its verdict untrustworthy. Many posters here were swallowed whole by that false narrative.

To be clear, Biden beat Trump in 2020 by 7 million votes. Trump beat Harris in 2024 by 4 million votes. Vice President Harris graciously conceded defeat. Both she and President Biden are committed to a peaceful transition of power, consistent with our nation’s longstanding tradition of leadership. Doing so is vital to the legitimacy and respect owed to the voters’ verdict.

I abhor Trump. I believe he is a corrupt and vile person. I believe that his actions leading up to both impeachments make him unworthy to be our President.

I do not believe he has the capacity to govern or unite a nation. His utter failure of leadership during the pandemic, during the unrest following George Floyd’s murder, and during the events leading up to January 6th, revealed his ineptitude.

I particularly abhor the electorate’s ambivalence in permitting Trump to be face of our nation, the role model for our children, the reflection our nation’s character and values.

Yet, I am a single voter. The collective voice of the 2024 electorate clearly had different sentiments. And that collective voice and verdict is the true power of our nation.

I tell young lawyers that we become better lawyers when we lose a case versus winning a case. In that same spirit, Democrats will take inventory from last week’s crushing defeat. We have to learn why the majority of 2024 voters placed their trust in Trump and the Republicans.

In late January, Trump will have the keys to the car, or better stated, the keys to the kingdom. Although control for the House has not been called, Trump’s power will be largely unchecked. Both the Supreme Court and the 2024 electorate have in essence, given Trump that green light.

Do I believe Trump (and the Republicans) will overreach? Yes. Time will tell. Again, the 2026 and 2028 electorate will have the opportunity to weigh in on our nation’s journey.

The sore loser part of me hopes that Trump II will quickly turn into a shit show. But, that resentment is borne in my grave disappointment that Kamala lost.

The "better angels" part of me acknowledges the 74 million voters who see America’s future differently than me. In that spirit, we owe it to the 2024 electorate to wish President Elect Trump the very best as he prepares to take office.

For all your Trump supporters, continue to relish Trump’s impressive victory last week.

Happy to see you embracing democracy again. Congratulations!


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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Sincerely, I don’t think most of us care what you think of Trump.

Author: Hensou (7963 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 7:36 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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Fuck those who only believe when they win.

Author: FinnMcCool (891 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2021)

Posted at 1:59 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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To be clear Trump beat Biden in 2020 on election day. Biden beat Trump 3 days & half after election

Author: Eli (9473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:43 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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day. It's unacceptable that ballots were still being dropped and they kept finding uncounted ballots after midnight of election day. Election 2024 has improved a lot in that area.

Even if you didnt post it, we would know your pain. We would know you abhor Trump. But what we still don't know is why your candidate lost from your perspective, after she outspent her opponent by 3:1, and got much help from MSM.


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Prove wrong doing, Chicom or shut the fuck up, Chicom peace of trash

Author: Domer From Hell (15841 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:28 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
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"If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit", eh? Doi. By the way.........

Author: BaronVonZemo (58849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:20 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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.the American people just quiet clearly stated that it is you that they don't believe. They also said that they do not approve of you and your party's practice of trying to force others to STFU.

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Prove it “math/science” guy. You do know that every state certified…

Author: Domer From Hell (15841 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:43 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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Their votes in 2020, yes? You do know that there were over 60 failed lawsuits, yes? Drop it, dummy. Trump won. Move forward.

We're all born bald baby!
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The numbers don’t lie. All of the other incidents don’t even matter to list anymore. 10M disappear,

Author: BaronVonZemo (58849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:29 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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Poof! That’s what 230k R volunteers/lawyers at every voting sites did for the problem.

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So every Court and every 2020 swing state election official missed the 2020 “fix?”

Author: conorlarkin (20760 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:06 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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You are a piece of shit American to deny the 2020 results.

Biden won by 7 million votes, almost twice the margin Trump won in 2024.

Once again, you only embrace democracy when your side wins.

I hope you do not fly the American flag. You lack standing.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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^^^100% this^^^

Author: Domer From Hell (15841 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:58 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
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Respected the country by bitching and moaning on a daily basis…

Author: Domer From Hell (15841 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:34 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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You didn’t respect the will of the people, the electorate, and the democratic process. You’re a shitty American.

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We're all born bald baby!
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Bwahaha. Accepted the cheat for America, then made it Too Big to Rig. Deal.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:38 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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Stupid post no surprise.

Author: FinnMcCool (891 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2021)

Posted at 2:00 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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I am not happy that Trump won, but I'm happy that the Dems lost.

Author: iairishcheeks (26731 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:33 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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I abhor the 2 party system, it's ridiculous how bad our choices have become. Here's the top 3 reasons the Dems lost.

1. Inflation - deny it exists, it exists but it's not a problem, it's a problem but it's not our fault.
2. Immigration - Sorry, no one believes that the Dems didn't want open borders and mass, disorderly immigration.
3. Constant gaslighting - Up is down, down is up. Joe is sharper than ever. Kamala wasn't the border czar. Trump is a Nazi.

Working class folks have spoken. They prefer the party of Elon Musk over the party of Dick Cheney.


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Thank you. Not rubbing it in, but seriously.....

Author: BaronVonZemo (58849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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.....if you really believe that the 2020 election didn't have any significant peculiarities, then you need to figure out what happened to the 10 M voters that didn't vote for you this cycle....didn't vote for Trump, or Stein, or JFK Jr either....they just didn't vote...they disappeared - at least politically speaking.
Joe Biden got those votes while running a campaign from his basement, and he is NOT charismatic. Most of the voter ID laxity from 2020 was carried through to 2024, so that doesn't explain it. Also, the "get out the vote effort" was more robust in 2024 than it ever was, even in 2020, and it had MORE money to do it with as well as federal and state support - so this also does not explain it.

So what was it that alienated this group SO much that they would make the effort then to vote Dem and not vote at all now?

You know that I believe that a significant portion of those 10 million ghosts were fabricated. But setting that aside and assuming they were real, then I would look equally to policy and candidate choice. Bypassing the primary process to put in a DEI candidate that couldn't even garner a single delegate in the Dem primary vote in 2020
was both foolish, and quite frankly, undemocratic. It also shines a light on the whole DEI agenda that the Dems have been pushing as well.


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D 81-74 will end up R 78-75 when count is done. Your self justification is BS. You were wrong.

Author: FinnMcCool (891 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2021)

Posted at 2:05 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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The 2024 swing state totals line up with 2020 totals.

Author: conorlarkin (20760 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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Michigan had 5.5 million voters in 2020. 5.6 million in 2024
Pennsylvania had 6.9 million voters in both 2020 and 2024.
Wisconsin had 3.3 million voters in both 2020 and 2024.

Blue states who knew their side would win did not turn out as much in 2024.
New Jersey had 4.5 million voters in 2020; 4.1 million voters in 2024.
New York had 8.4 million voters in 2020; 7.8 million voters in 2024.

Baron, Eli, and WestCoast lack the integrity to acknowledge that they only embrace democracy when they win.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Wrong! Swing states PA, MI lost population. That's why their electoral vote reduced from 20 of 2020

Author: Eli (9473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:51 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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to 19 of 2024 and 16 of 2020 to 15 of 2024 respectively. Their 2024 turnout actually are better than 2020 considering their smaller population base. Furthermore it's meaningless to break down to state level when talking about popular votes. A democrat voter Conor would vote for for democrat candidate wherever he moves.

It's a universal issue that Blue states or Red states who knew their side would win or their side would lose do not turn out. It happened in every election in non-swing states. Given information that we all knew this el4ction would be a very close 50/50 one, there should no particular reason only for this election that those people who knew their side would win or lose didn't vote.


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Well done, but they won’t acknowledge the truth…

Author: Domer From Hell (15841 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:36 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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They’ll continue to spew nonsensical conspiracy theories.

We're all born bald baby!
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seems you and many other libs are incapable of graciously accepting defeat....or explaining how

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16169 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:03 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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20MM votes evaporated.

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You meant perhaps 2 million when you typed 20 million, right?

Author: FinnMcCool (891 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2021)

Posted at 2:06 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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no. go research the vote totals for the Democratic winner the last five elections

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16169 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:40 pm on Nov 10, 2024
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