Jewish vote jumped 50% for Trump from '20 to '24.
National Jewish vote in '24 was almost even (50+% Harris, 45% Trump) which is a marked shift.
Link: https://nypost.com/2024/11/10/opinion/jewish-voters-democratic-exodus-will-elevate-both-parties/
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Level 1
Not so fast, Baron...given Rupert Murdoch's ownership of the NY Post, and 'The Tablet' becoming
Pro-Trump, there is reason to question the authenticity of the article...
Here's an excerpt from the linked Wikipedia overview of 'The Tablet'....
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On September 29, 2022, the Association for Jewish Studies (AJS) "paused" a relationship with Tablet which had enabled the magazine to place advertisements through AJS. The pause came in response to complaints by AJS members about the content published by Tablet; Jewish Currents reported that the critiques centered around articles published in Tablet within the past five years. Progressive magazine Jewish Currents also noted in an email newsletter that several Tablet contributors are Trump supporters and asserted that "much of the magazine's content is focused on decrying liberal 'wokeness'", arguing that while Tablet initially "gained a reputation for publishing high-quality arts and culture content", a conservative editorial line became more pronounced during the first presidency of Donald Trump.[46]
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There is no reason to "question the authenticity" simply based on the source
This might come as a surprise to you, but almost all data presented in conservative-leaning media are factual and in-context. I know, since liberal media tends to report facts either out of context or omits them altogether if it doesn't fit their narrative, you assume conservative media does the same. Baron rule #1 well demonstrated here.-
Level 3
Expect one of the libs to drag out the Fox Dominion suit.
They’ll claim Fox will pay out 787 million.
That’s a lie.Link: https://apnews.com/article/fox-dominion-lawsuit-settlement-election-6a729ece4b4f351a6334be13b49d4869
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Level 4
OMG...it's not the amount, Ara...it's the fact that FOX "Knowingly LIED" about Dominion's Voting
Machines to their viewers and readers...for the sole purpose of continuing to make money by pandering to their pre-conceived beliefs...it was all presented as evidence...i.e. undeniable.
You are denser than I imagined.
btw, Dominion is going to get $787M...
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Level 3
This is a joke, right?...how do you explain FOX paying $787M for knowingly lying?...think they're
the only conservative media source doing that?...how many of them have repudiated Trump for spreading the Big lie that the 2020 election was stolen?...among his many other lies (e.g. Springfield, Ohio Haitians).
Based on the enormity of FOX's failure to follow journalistic norms, it's important for readers/listeners to question their sources.
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Level 4
Plenty of MSM "news" departments lie all the time
By either not reporting the facts in context or omitting facts that don't square with their narrative.
In any case, if you're going to dismiss a news source for 100% of the stuff they report that doesn't fit your narrative, then why should I not automatically do the same with MSM, too?
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Level 5
You said.."There is no reason to "question the authenticity" simply based on the source"...do you
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Level 6
So based on one topic, Fox News is permanently not credible?
One topic that a couple of their hosts (Carlson, Ingraham) who let conspiracy theorists go on their shows?
There are numerous examples of the MSM not being credible that you ignore. But hopefully you and your friends in the MSM keep this up.
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Level 7
If FOX ever admits wrongdoing and apologizes to viewers/readers, while publicly instituting changes
that help ensure no such behavior occurs again, then you can start to trust them...but given the reason they did what they did...i.e. keep their stock price up...don't waste your time hoping for them to join the ranks of true journalists, and keep on questioning everything they publish.
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"Judge dismisses ex-Covington Catholic student's defamation lawsuits against media outlets"...
you're on a roll, Ara...now I know why you changed your Open Forum Username ;-)-
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Level 8
The event that resulted in suit settlements and dismissals was all about "Opinion"...not
"Knowingly Lying" regarding undeniable facts, as FOX did. CNN and WaPo decided not to go to trial over unverifiable 'Opinions' and settled early (2020)...those outlets that waited until 2022 were vindicated by the judge's dismissal of Sandmann's suit.
Apples and Oranges between Sandmann and FOX...Again, the discovery process in the FOX case yielded irrefutable evidence of lying...not simply their "Opinion".
Do better next time.
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Level 9
CNN paid Sandman. Period. You’re back on Ignore.
You are an inveterate liar.
Your humiliation was perfected in Biden’s
demise an Kamala’s epic bullshit defeat.
Have the last say.
But remember, you are the loser.
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Level 10
It’s very simple…there is no evidence that CNN, or any other news outlet
knowingly lied…they had their opinion….Sandmann had his…as the judge who dismissed the suits against other outlets said…there’s no objective evidence, and their Opinion is Free Speech…you’ve heard that term before, haven’t you?
Btw…putting people on “ignore” only silences you…I still get to correct your misinformation ;-)...add 'Thin Skinned" to your list of character flaws...you like to accuse others, but can't handle the truth. Note that I never have and never will ignore anyone on an Open Forum like this...I'm confident in what I say and invite others to share theirs for as long as it takes to establish the truth...and it works...just ask Jakers (ref: Baron's lies on "masking")
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Absolutely, but the rationale was not because there was incontrovertible EVIDENCE against them...
just the opinion of a kid vs a corporation that might pull a heart string with some jurors...not worth it to go to trial.
FOX, on the other hand was caught "Red Handed" with documented messages PROVING malicious intent...which could have led to additional "Punitive Damages" by a jury...that's why Rupert Murdoch settled.
Is this too complex?...if so, I'm sorry (for you).
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Level 13
So you’re trying to justify it in your little brain that
a giant corporation tried to ruin a teenager’s life? You’re one demented fucked up person. Find those Babe golf pictures yet?-
Level 14
Why can't that Huge Brain of yours comprehend the difference between Opinion and Evidence?...
the Judge who dismissed Sandmann's suits against other media outlets over the same incident was able to.
I'll check to the dealer and sit on my hand vs yours ;-)
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Level 15
Why can’t you comprehend that they tried to
deliberately malign a white Catholic male? I’ll wait for your next idiotic post.-
Level 16
CNN and others expressed their "Opinion" as to what Sandmann was doing...it's called "Free Speech",
and that's why the Judge in the later cases dismissed Sandmann's suits...over the very same incident.
btw, there's no evidence that CNN or any other media outlet intentionally tried to demean Sandmann for being Catholic...that's just your opinion, and as such, protected by the 1st Amendment as "Free Speech"...same with your invectives ad hominems about me...comes with the territory...I accept that...makes me glad I'm not you ;-)
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Level 17
Well Ty I guess they should have kept their "opinions"
to themselves since they had to pay the boy...correct? Yes or no
Also have you seen what's going on at CNN BAhahahahaaha
Your incorrect opinion is that CNN was not trying to make a white Catholic boy look bad. As usual you're wrong. It's exactly what they did.
As for my invectives ad hominems about you, they are well deserved. You claim to be Catholic but love abortion and condone pedophilia
You never answered what razor you use to shave your daughter's bush when you shower with her. Did you and old Joe trade notes about that?
And as far as your lame attempts at digs at me try harder. Very weak.
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Level 18
Once again, "Opinion" is Free Speech...as the Judge said when he dismissed Sandmann's suits against
other media outlets over the exact same incident...had CNN waited...joined with the other defendants...they wouldn't have had to pay anything...that's my opinion ;-)
What's not up for debate is the Evidence of FOX knowingly lying to its viewers/readers about Dominion Voting Machines...see my Wikipedia link today.
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Turns out no one had to pay...those that did made a mistake...but for FOX, they were on the hook for
"Punitive Damages" over the Trillion Dollar mark...based on evidence...
You're a very slow learner.
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Level 22
Wrong they paid
But keep on trying with your lame digs. You live in denial
Got those Babe pictures?
I'm waiting
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Level 1
Big Trump-shift in Catholic vote also).Harris did receive 40% inc vote from atheists compared to '20
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Why would any religious American, much less Catholic, vote for a Felon, Rapist, Fraud with no morals
ethics or faith?...seems like a reasonable question to me...what say you, or any other Trump voter?-
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Having a Convicted Felon, Rapist, Fraud who welcomes collaboration with the nation's worst enemy as
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It doesn't seem incongruous to you that strongly religious voters would choose someone lacking all
the moral and ethical qualities they hold dear, when the alternative is an upstanding Christian (Baptist) with no criminal record or examples of sexual misconduct and fraud.?...could it be something else?...like Racism and Misogyny?
btw, the "Dem Agenda" is to serve ALL Americans...not just the White, Straight and Christians...she even promised to have a Republican in her cabinet. The Trump/MAGA agenda appears to favor ONLY those loyal to DJT....we shall see how this all turns out in reality after his inauguration....could be the substance of a few Open Forum threads...don't you think?...oh, and what condolences will you have for your Ukrainian relatives?
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Uh, because his official policies and actions will leave us better off in four years?
Serious question. Let's say you're 100% convinced Trump's official policies and actions would leave the country better off four years from now (even though you might not, play along) than Kamala's. Why would you vote to have the country worse off four years from now?
And that's the reason most Americans voted for Trump.
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What did DJT actually do in his first term to improve anyone's life who wasn't already well off?
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And once again, you failed to answer my question, so I'll try again
If you were legitimately convinced Trump's official policies and actions were going to leave the country better off four years from now than Kamala's, would you still vote for Kamala?-
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When it's a simple fact that tariffs are a tax on consumers, and tax cuts for the wealthy only
increases the national deficit, how would I ever be 'legitimately convinced' that Trump's economic policy would leave the country better off?
Do you understand any of this?
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Level 7
You are not answering. I specifically asked you a hypothetical question which you refuse to answer
So let me try again.
Forgot the fact that in reality you believe Trump's policies to not be good.
For this exercise, we are assuming you truly believe Trump's policies would leave the country better off in four years than would Kamala's. Would you vote for him?
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Level 8
There's no need for a hypothesis...we already have Trump's plan to impose broad tariffs...
along with a repeat of his tax break from his first term...both measures cause problems for our economy and Nobel Prize winning economists agree with that assessment....plus he is a man who went bankrupt multiple times with his own business...I'll take the Nobel Award winners side on this one.
Finally, knowing that Trump is a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist there is no way I would ever vote for him...absolutely the last person on earth to choose for President of the United States.
Are we done, now? I know I am ;-)
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Level 5
Is this a trick question? Very easy to answer
His tax cuts increased our child tax credit $1,000 per child, putting $2,000 more into our pockets (and yes, I know the credit has since expired). Increasing the standard deduction helped us a lot, too.
Then you've got how he eliminated numerous, burdensome and unnecessary regulations that stifled business, allowing them to prosper and hire more workers.
Oh, and he eliminated the extremely un-American tax penalty on people who couldn't afford to buy health insurance. Cost my wife and I thousands we couldn't afford to pay and had to put our taxes on credit cards. Thank goodness we now have health insurance, but speaking from first-hand experience, anyone supporting that tax penalty policy is just wrong.
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Yes, the child tax credit expired, but Harris's economic plan included higher amounts, plus added
benefits for newborns...we'll have to see what DJT has for you and others....
As for deregulation...list a few of them. Note that DJT put a Coal Industry lobbyist in charge of the EPA...not exactly what those living near coal plants wanted. Note that the EPA was instituted under the Nixon administration due to serious environmental concerns...I recall the dense smog in the LA basin...and the subsequent clean air once the EPA guidelines were imposed...it has saved lives and improved citizens' health, without question...Trump apparently doesn't care about that...his focus is solely on making his friends wealthier.
Finally, wrt the ACA mandate and federal tax penalty...it's much more complicated than you know (see explanation in the linked article)...before the ACA was enacted, Mitt Romney had a mandate and penalty for Massachusetts modeled after a Heritage Foundation plan...plus, the ACA model took into account the experiences of several other countries who use mandates and penalties. It's how insurance works...if you let people "freeload" the economics of the system fail.
Let's see if DJT really makes your life better...
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Level 4
Translation:...Ethics and Morals mean nothing when picking a President...those are just stones to
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Again I ask...how does any religious person vote for an unrepentant Felon, Rapist, Fraud with no
faith of his own?...but you can't/won't answer that fundamental question....says a lot about your values.-
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Level 8
Bill Clinton engaged in an inappropriate affair between consenting adults...Donald Trump, by his own
admission, attacked numerous women against their will...even to the degree of Rape. The difference is significant. Add to that, Trump's Felony convictions and other Felony indictments and the difference between them becomes enormous.
If you can't see the difference, don't sign up for any intelligence tests ;-)
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Level 10
Could have happened...but is that an excuse for voting for a Proven Rapist?...assuming you really
care about the morals and ethics of a President before voting for him/her...btw, on that note (claims of rape), DJT has at least 20 such claims against him...plus an "Access Hollywood" tape of him admitting/bragging about such behavior with many women...does that factor into your psyche at all?-
Level 11
Show me the rape conviction?
Once again you lie
Cult on freak
Where are those Babe pictures?
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End of conversation