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"Mass Deportation: Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy"

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:33 am on Nov 20, 2024
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...from the attached article....Think, "Shooting One's Self in the Foot"....or "Cutting One's Nose off to Spite One's Face"...or "Just Plain Stupid"...
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"Beyond the direct financial cost of mass deportation, we also estimated the impact on the U.S. economy. Due to the loss of workers across U.S. industries, we found that mass deportation would reduce the U.S. gross domestic product (GDP) by 4.2 to 6.8 percent. It would also result in significant reduction in tax revenues for the U.S. government. In 2022 alone, undocumented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants also contributed $22.6 billion to Social Security and $5.7 billion to Medicare.

Mass deportations would cause significant labor shocks across multiple key industries, with especially acute impacts on construction, agriculture, and the hospitality sector. We estimate that nearly 14 percent of people employed in the construction industry are undocumented. Removing that labor would disrupt all forms of construction across the nation, from homes to businesses to basic infrastructure. As industries suffer, hundreds of thousands of U.S.-born workers could lose their jobs.

These numbers do not even come close to capturing the human cost of mass deportation. About 5.1 million U.S. citizen children live with an undocumented family member. Separating family members would lead to tremendous emotional stress and could also cause economic hardship for many of these mixed-status families who might lose their breadwinners, jeopardizing their economic and social well-being."

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Is any of this in the spirit of that Statue of Liberty we used to be so proud of?...and what Net Benefit is provided?

btw, this 'Hollowing Out" of America's economy would certainly bring a smile to our enemies...like Trump's BFF, Vladimir.


Link: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/mass-deportation#:~:text=Undocumented%20immigrants%20also%20contributed%20%2422.6,agriculture%2C%20and%20the%20hospitality%20sector.

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Thread Level: 2

Create a problem, complain about the cost for others to fix it.

Author: iairishcheeks (27305 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:27 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Even Reagan had this problem...and passed bipartisan legislation to fix it...now we need to do the

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:56 am on Nov 20, 2024
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same...which we actually did...until Trump killed it, and now wants to make things even worse.

Time for you and others to act like the adults you are and think objectively about the issue...I can only present you with the facts and data...you need to absorb it and act appropriately.


Thread Level: 4

You can’t fix stupid.

Author: Frank L (64745 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:14 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Thread Level: 5

You are a perfect example of that. Hie on!

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:28 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Yes, the parties have switched, you're now the party of corporations over citizens.

Author: iairishcheeks (27305 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:22 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Also known as: how Kamala and her Super PAC raised and spent $2B and lost.

Democracy is funny that way.


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Thread Level: 2

These are all emotional, not rational, arguments

Author: MarkHarman (7286 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:35 am on Nov 20, 2024
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$44 billion lost to the Treasury is a pittance to the federal government. And as Tom Homan said, "separating" families doesn't need to happen as the US-born children have dual citizenship and can go back until they're ready to come back.

As correctly pointed out, families are "separated" all the time when Mom or dad goes to prison.

Funny liberals are all concerned about prices rising when conservative policies are enacted but totally okay with prices rising due to higher corporate tax rates.


Thread Level: 3

Read the material I've provided...it contains a great deal of objective data, and reasoning based on

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:58 am on Nov 20, 2024
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those unemotional facts. I'm not seeing ANY such material from you, Mark...time to get to work.

Thread Level: 4

Your side keeps saying no one is above the law. So the right thing to do is deportations

Author: MarkHarman (7286 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:06 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Wake Up!...The right thing to do is PASS the bipartisan Senate Immigration Bill...it provides the

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:19 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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necessary funding for Border Protection (thousands of CBP and ICE agents) along with necessary Deportations, new Asylum policy, etc., etc...the whole "Shootin Match", like Reagan Passed in his day.

Knock off the mindless memes...get educated.and tell you Reps/Senators to do the right thing...PASS THAT BILL.


Thread Level: 6

That bill was never FULLY bi-partisan and was DOA without Trump

Author: MarkHarman (7286 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:10 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Thread Level: 7

Thankfully, we will have a bipartisan administration under Trump.

Author: NedoftheHill (44717 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:12 am on Nov 21, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I trust u can find a link promising that another 20 million illegals would be even more beneficial.

Author: Curly1918 (16475 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:32 am on Nov 20, 2024
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And I suppose that Obama's record deportations really set us back.

I'm all for immigrants: LEGAL ONES!

Illegal immigration erodes respect for the law... like non enforcement of criminal activity.


Link: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/jan/04/ron-desantis/ron-desantis-is-right-barack-obama-deported-more-p/

Thread Level: 3

The Senate has already agreed on a bipartisan bill that addressed our needs for immigration and the

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:07 am on Nov 20, 2024
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means to achieve them...securely, and legally. Trump killed that bill...go rant at him...and all those who supported him. Meanwhile, our own U.S. Chamber of Commerce is on record calling for 11M more immigrants...largely to fill the gap that you and I have left due to "Boomer" retirements...it's just a fact of life that we can't 'grow babies' fast enough ;-).

Let's get Rational!...


Thread Level: 4

That PR stunt was DOA in the Housr.

Author: Curly1918 (16475 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:17 am on Nov 20, 2024
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You are correct. People like you can’t be compromised with. It’s your way or the highway. Best of

Author: Frank L (64745 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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luck with the mass deportations and the impact they will have on the nation.

Thread Level: 2

Laken Riley fought for 18 minutes. How much did the open border cost her?

Author: Cole (16199 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 6:41 am on Nov 20, 2024
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A tragic story, but DJT killed the Senate Bill that provided for thousands of Border and ICE agents,

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:15 am on Nov 20, 2024
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as well as investigators, Judges, etc. to find the 'bad actors' and get them deported much faster...this is documented FACT...now go complain to DJT that he has perpetuated the problem...not solved it....and won't with a Mass Deportation that will cause great harm to our economy and millions of hard working families.

Thread Level: 3

Fresh towels. Fresh lettuce.

Author: conorlarkin (21053 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:55 am on Nov 20, 2024
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It isn’t about criminality.

Our economy relies upon hard working decent illegal immigrants.

Please please please unleash mass deportation under Trump 2.0


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

Spoken like a true racist liberal.

Author: Frankx (5363 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 8:38 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Thread Level: 4

Hilarious, you can’t make this shit up.

Author: PaND (2726 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 7:58 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Thread Level: 5

Apparently, conor feels his”fresh lettuce from Mexican pickers” is more important than Laken’s life.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:03 am on Nov 20, 2024
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“And what else could Mexicans ever do that is worthwhile, anyways?”
and
“Those people can’t follow the law like everyone else anyways……their Mexicans!”

conor’s attitude embodies the essence of racism,condescension, and selfishness all at once (ie liberalism).


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Thread Level: 6

Trump certainly wasn't thinking about Laken's life when he killed the bipartisan Senate Bill that

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:22 am on Nov 20, 2024
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would have funded thousands of additional CBP and ICE agents, as well as Investigators, Judges, etc. who would ID the 'bad guys' and get them deported ASAP.

Bottom Line...Trump is the problem...and all those who put him back in the Oval Office...you're just too willfully blind to see this...only heaven knows why.


Thread Level: 6

Exactly why Trump won.

Author: PaND (2726 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 8:52 am on Nov 20, 2024
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He is a liberal loon.

Thread Level: 4

And you expect them to stay in that role. And Americans won’t work?! Racist. Liberal.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:58 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Thread Level: 5

How many "Americans" (Translation: WHITE Americans) are clamoring for jobs picking vegetables, or

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:29 am on Nov 20, 2024
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processing meat products, or sweeping floors, cleaning bathrooms, laying tar on roadways and bridges at less than minimum wages, without benefits?

I guess "Dignitas Infinita" went right over your head without you noticing.


Thread Level: 3

I wish you guys were this passionate about American born domestic abusers, and killers

Author: Quest4twelve (6735 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 7:08 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Thread Level: 4

We are. Soros prosecutors & judges in D run cities are not.

Author: ELP (9598 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:56 am on Nov 20, 2024
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How much did the 'Mass Importations' cost?

Author: Iggle (12628 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 6:23 am on Nov 20, 2024
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It would be nice to see both sides of the ledger.

Thread Level: 3

See the Rice University Study I just posted...if you disagree, post a study that supports your

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:48 am on Nov 20, 2024
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contention...btw, we've had a Broken Immigration System for decades...yet we also have the greatest economy in the world...think about that for a moment...or in your case, much longer.

Thread Level: 4

What contention? I asked you a question.

Author: Iggle (12628 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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As usual, you can't answer.

Thread Level: 5

I gave you data @10:25am titled "Economic Benefits of illegal Immigration outweigh the costs..."

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:34 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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which is what you're asking about...read it...assess it, and get back to me on what you disagree with...and why...i.e. with data and reasoning. In short...'Do Some Work'...assuming you know how.

Thread Level: 3

Great point which he will not answer

Author: MarkHarman (7286 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:37 am on Nov 20, 2024
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The costs to our health care and education systems has been horrific.

Thread Level: 4

Read my post and link from earlier this morning...it addresses the COSTS of having Un-Documented

Author: TyroneIrish (20589 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:37 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Immigrants in this country...Specifically Including Health Care and Education...

The abject LAZINESS on this board is astounding...and helps explain why we are in this predicament.


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