I’m more conservative than most on this board. Stop fighting the vaccine. This is deadly and getting
worse. Yes the doctors and scientists are struggling but if I had little grandchildren I would encourage them to be vaccinated. Both my wife and I had early Covid. So did my girls and their husbands. Two of us got it again. My son in law worse. Stop the discussion, no one knows shit but the vaccine works for now. And yes I’m wearing a mask again. Because I care about my health and those I love.
This is a brutal virus. Let’s all agree to do what’s best. I saw a 29 year old kid die this week. I’ll never forget that.
Replies to: I’m more conservative than most on this board. Stop fighting the vaccine. This is deadly and getting
If COVID and the variances are so deadly & the Government is worried why is the border open?
(no message)
While I agree about the vaccines, people are free to make their own choices
CDC reports a 99.998% survival rate for ages 0-17, 99.95% for ages 18-49 and 99.4% for ages 50-69.
At some point we have to acknowledge that this virus simply isn't deadly enough to keep worrying about. If someone wants to take their chances by not getting vaccinated, let 'em.
Not in a public health emergency. Get the vaccine.
(no message)
There is no emergency
The number of people dying do not warrant any further action. People by now have made their choice. I chose to get vaccinated as did my wife, but our children are not (12 & 14) being vaccinated. No reason to based on data.
That’s easy to say and in some respects I agree. Yet the burden and drain to our health system is
not minimal and it’s helping to hold back economic recovery.
Should be an easy call for conservatives. Get vaxxed, no more masks, or lockdowns, and economic recovery.
but the masks are coming back.
(no message)
Not if the spread of this shit gets stopped. If they do, blame the non vaxxed.
(no message)
You're a moron!
(no message)
Nice contribution to the discussion.
(no message)
It was to the point and accurate. But tell us about mask use again.
(no message)
Yes, that is the true outrage to Neddie. Not the fact that we have millions of dumbasses
perpetuating this plague.
Per usual
(no message)
I got my shots but I am done wearing a mask.
(no message)
This is a perfectly reasonable position.
At this point, why protect the unvaccinated?
“Kiss me … I’m vaccinated.”
Tough love serves a purpose.
To all vaccinated, Did you get D-Dimer blood test after vaccination? Care to share? Thank you!
It's somehow privacy. You don't even have to tell me if the result is in normal range. An answer "the test result is not a big deal" would be fine.
Actually, I had a beer (after 1st dose).
It was a long 12 hour day for family. We volunteered as scribes and sang for our supper on a cold March day.
I would have crawled a mile over broken glass to get the jab. Was mighty thankful to have been vaccinated.
And remain fully confident that my grandkids will not be born with flippers.
Are you on blood thinners? Do you have severe vascular disease? Of course not. You pretend to be
level headed but really, you have your head buried in the sand.
Pro-Vaxer here. Get the shot(s) or stay the fuck away from me and my family
(no message)
I will stay away from you. So will 60% pfizer vaxxxers.
So-called infection protection dropped from 90% efficacy to 64% and now 39%. It will continue dropping.
Link: https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-is-less-effective-against-delta-infections-but-still-prevents-serious-illness-israel-study-shows-11627059395
Thanks, but I’d rather go by the Mayo Clinic’s stats…
Much more reputable, in my humble opinion.
Link: https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-variant-vaccine
OK. Expect you to say "get the booster or stay the fuck away from me and my family" on next wave.
How they are treating the unvaxxxrs today will be the way how they will treat people who are hesitant to have booster shot tomorrow. Mark my words.
PS. Mayo is good. but I dont think their are updated. The delta goes fast. The best vaccine data today in the world is Israel and UK. They did so well in recording their data and publish them regularly, hard to manipulate.
You honestly think that the people that got the vaccine…
will be hesitant in getting the booster? Kind of a reach, don’t you think?
Consult your Dr. Ask him/her what they think about the vaccine.
They may be hesitant, but they subscript it in the end like they did on Netflix. Netflix model
is the way we are living in this world. iphone as a service, windows as a service, why not covid vaccine as a service?
I like you bro, but you’re making no sense.
(no message)
2 of your family got reinfection? That's rare, but getting vaccine wouldn't help in this case if
they were unvaccinated between this 2 infections. Maybe immune system too suppressed to generate antibody from previous infection? If you know how mRNA vaccine works, you will understand. Had reinfection been very common, they would not have made these mRNA vaccine from the beginning.
I know it is hard for you now. I wish your family the best and thank you for the sincere advise. I am not fighting vaccine. I am vaccine hesitant and vaccine advocates attack me. You know conservative like to follow the rule and principle. In this case follow the scientific process/protocol. I am looking forward to FDA's judgement on approval.
Yes my wife who showed no signs but my son in law with an immune issue.
(no message)
That doesn't make sense - you don't make any sense. You're not vaccine hesitant, you're a moron.
(no message)
Everything I said of course doesn't make sense to you. But you always tried to read it.
(no message)
Vaccine hesitant was in February and March. Now it’s just vaccine moronic.
You’re trying to come across as someone who considers info without actually understanding the information or I’d say actually reading the info.
mRNA is the C19 vaccine science.
Here are some certainties. Vaxxed: extremely low chance of getting seriously sick or dying, much
lower chance of even getting it. Non vaxxed: Over 90% of serious illness and death are among the un vaxxed. Delta is highly transmissible, and cases are surging especially in areas of high % of un vaxxed people. COVID care continues to strain our medical system and costs money. Millions of people have safely taken the vax without any issues.
Un vaxxed therefore = stupid unless you have a valid medical excuse.
You can’t fix stupid PB. The refusalists and their defenders are in that catagory.
(no message)
You're talking about the "Brothers", homey. Best watch your step
(no message)
600K deaths and climbing in US, a deadly surge from a variant upon us and this is the conversation
The thread below from ELI is mind boggling.
Can't get any stupider than that.
I have never been on the CDC site. I would like a breakdown........................
How many had pre-existing conditions? How many young had pre-existing conditions? How many died in car accident, suicide, or other means but because they tested positive, that goes into the covid side of the stat sheet? How many in NY died from covid but were listed otherwise to protect that idiot Tony Soprano wannabe? How many died needlessly in nursing homes because of that idiot Tony Soprano wannabe? How many actually died from covid that were healthy middle aged or younger? is any of this answerable? Just like the past election, covid, and January 6th, no questions allowed. Shut up and stop asking questions. I've been vaccinated but there is no way I do it because some fool on a message board demands that I do, or better yet,, some elite power hungry hypocrite politician tries to shame me. Has Tom Brady or Bebron or any of the Texas Six been vaccinated? Is Wilbon going to demand that they come forward? Hell no. They are afraid they might not get the answer that they are looking for.
Oh it just got dumber. There is no ELI post below.
Posted at 11:26 am on Jul 25, 2021
ELP or Eli maybe?
Yeah right
(no message)
Link: Dumbass
That’s Eli. Not ELI.
Posted at 9:59 pm on Jul 25, 2021
(no message)
The same folks who still minimize the threat of climate change.
But given that 74 million Americans voted for "4 more years" of a Trump Presidency ... no surprise that they struggle with processing information in a discerning manner.
Delta Variant will get to the unvaccinated. "Folks supposed to have common sense -
time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks and not the regular folks - it's the unvaccinated folks that are lettin' us down - I can encourage you to do sumthin' but I can't
make you take care of yourself".
The libs and Dr. Fauci aren’t gonna tell them how to live their lives. They’ll jeopardize their
health to own the libs.
Everyone's favorite roommate has entered the chat. Nothing to see here
(no message)
*
(no message)
Why would anyone with conservative leanings not want to get vaccinated?
Paranoia is equally distributed across the political spectrum.
It's NOT equally distributed. Anti-Vaxxx originated from left & largely remained there. Bill Maher,
Hollywood celebrity, JFK Jr....too many. My neighbor state Oregon is notorious for its anti-Vaxxx stand. Some libertarians are anti-vaxxxers, but it is always true that libertarians share something with liberals.
Also people who against genetically engineered foods are mainly on the left. But mRNA is genetically engineered molecule. Human are ironic species.
Ask the 41% of Republicans who refuse to get it.
(no message)
What percentage of Democrats don't want to get vaccinated? Why aren't you complaining about them?
(no message)
According to WSJ, 8 out of 10 already have one shot. I’ll take the same from the R’s and call it a
As a simple caveman, I know very little
Seems to me one ought to get the vaccine, so long as there are no extenuating circumstances. I did so at my first opportunity.
But I also don't begrudge those that don't - including my brother. They have their reasons, whether I agree with them or not.
I think the argument that if you don't vaccinate, you are reckless and putting others at risk is silly. COVID has been a godsend for the pious know-it-alls who love to tell others how to live. Those that don't vaccinate are probably putting more people at risk by simply driving their cars than by not getting the vaccine.
That's about how I look at it. Interesting no one is challenging you on this.
Maybe you aren't as fun to argue with and insult?
Maybe my support of you will draw some attention this way.
While I agree about getting the 2 shot vaccine, your perspective is highly skewed........
....you saw someone die. Who? Do you know for a fact that they got the vaccine and still died? And even so, given how exquisitely rare it is for someone to be fully vaccinated and actually die from COVID thereafter, the costs from remasking the public outweigh the risk.
Remember that in about 330,000 or so people tested with the three FDA approved vaccines in different parts of the world, there were ZERO deaths. (It is for this reason that I ask whether you actually know for sure that the person who died was vaccinated or whether you were told this second or third hand).
I do not dismiss the legitimacy of COVID. I agree that every adult should get the 2 shot vaccine. But I absolutely do NOT agree with remasking once you have had the vaccine. I trust it. It is true that it is still possible that a very rare case of death could still occur, but that has always been the case for many other infections including H1N1 where we did not have such an overreaction.
The costs of such a widespread action of remasking the public include young children losing out on an effective education while they fiddle with their masks, depression and suicide numbers directly related to the masks which far, far outweigh the super rare post vaccine COVID death, complications form oral and respiratory fungal infections associated with mask wearing, complications for undiagnosed asthmatics, financial costs (PPE has been a difficult hudle for many small businesses and schools).etc.
Because the risk of death post vaccine from COVID is SO low mathematically, these other issues actually become greater risks.
You have witnessed a traumatic event which has biased your viewpoint. Imagine in an analogous situation where a person's loved one is recovering successfully in the ICU from a closed head injury from a car crash. In the next room over is another motor vehicle accident victim with a head injury who dies. The friends of that person say that the deceased was wearing a seatbelt, though you obviously cannot look at the official report. Still, you start telling everyone that you are going to wear a helmet in addition to your seatbelt whenever you ride in a car. That's fine if you want to do that, but do you think everyone else should start wearing a helmet too?
I trust the vaccine. I respect that you don't especially after your atypical experience, but in truth, you cannot fully eliminate the risk of death, and there are other factors to consider that make your recommendation for a mask something that should be personal to you, but not forced upon others
(not sure if you are saying this or not, but people on the Left will certainly take this as advocacy for sweeping recommendations to all).
and by the way, if masks post vaccine are pushed, there will be no motive for the unvaccinated to get a vaccine given they will still have to wear their masks. That impedence to vaccination would be more significant than any minimal benefit from masks being worn by the general public who do not wear them properly or use proper masks for the most part.
I don’t understand why this makes you so angry? A young man didn’t have to die from this. And yes
He could have died a number of different ways I understand. But he died from COVID. I’m not being a drama queen I’m just telling you what happened. Your attack on my observation makes no sense to me.
I’m not angry, and I had no intention of attacking you. Also,
I don’t think your being a drama queen.
I also agree with your rec for getting vaccinated.
I do think that your comments for the mask wearing, while fine for you to choose personally, are not indicated for the reasons that I mentioned, and they will be used by some to impose unnecessary burden on others however.
I take your word about the person dying of COVID post vaccination, but given the remarkable rarity of that event, it is a reasonable question to ask if your information on whether that person was actually vaccinated. I understand that the person died of COVID, but were they actually vaccinated?
Follow the advice of your doctors/specialists.
Posted at 8:56 am on Jul 25, 2021
It’s the only discussion that matters.
Which works better?...a mask or the vaccine?
(no message)
This
Viruses are 1000 times smaller than germs. Try to fathom what that means. They are at the atomic level and are transmitted on air particulates. That makes anything short of a level-4 hazmat containment suit ineffective. Useless. And Fauci said so himself in April 2020.
So what changed? Not the science.
using a mask to block the covid virus is like
using a chain link fence to stop air flow.
If you have been vaccinated, why do you care? Either you're protected or not by this vaccination...
Not sure masking up does jack. The left are all chest thumping about the non vaccinated in Red states but run and hide when the black and Hispanic non vax communities are mentioned. Same with high profile pro athletes, and all those pesky illegals that the left simply adores who are not vaccinated. The Texas Six super spreader story sure has been buried by the left media. Pelosi, Lightfoot, Whitmer and that imbecile husband of hers, and Gavin Newsome all have received a pass during the covid for their super spreader no mask events. Lollapalooza coming to Chicago. Can't wait for 100k little infected antifa morons checking into the city. The left here and everywhere need to zip it before they look like bigger fools than they already are.
What ELP said ^^^^^👍
(no message)