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Jordan Peterson breaks down "The Pardon".

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:45 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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Basically Joe and Jill have enabled Hunter's self-destructive behavior his entire life and this is a continuation of that. This is not a "father's act of love for his son" it's the opposite and hunter will be worse off for it.

Link: https://youtu.be/DrYpGQVJy6w?si=25fKTP2K0JvAez0N

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That was interesting and probably accurate.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 3:28 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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Fucking your brother's widow with the kids down the hall, filming the acts, uploading them to Pornhub, and getting her hooked on crack...those are the actions of a profoundly evil individual. You can't blame the drugs for that kind of filthy behavior. Probably would have done him some good to send him to prison.

He's been protected and coddled and showered with undeserved cash his entire life. Look what that did to him. Joe bears some heavy responsibility for how it all turned out.


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"My son has done nothing wrong"

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:58 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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It's sickening.

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He’s a scumbag and should have done time. Joe is no different than most political class Dad’s

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:19 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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Probably mostly absentee, trying to make up for it in the wrong ways. The only one responsible for Hunter though is himself. Plenty of powerful Dads like Joe from inside the beltway who raised kids the same way and they turned out fine. The other son seems to have been that way.

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The "deep state" (i.e., institutional corruption) has been exposed, including Joe as functionary

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 7:53 am on Dec 10, 2024
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since Trump's first presidency. We can debate whether peaking behind the curtain was in the best interests of American citizens, but now that it's out there, can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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How's JP doing with his Benzodiazepine Dependence?...or his inability to decide whether he's a

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:15 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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Liberal or Conservative?...can you find someone a little more balanced as a reference?

Thread Level: 3

Ad hominems will get you nowhere.

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:42 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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He's only one of the top 50 most cited clinical psychologists of all time. He's brilliant, not surprised you don't like him.

And your criticism that he can't decide if he wants to be a conservative or a liberal is actually a compliment. Everyone should be that way, it means he is an independent thinker rather than an ideologically enslaved tribalist like you and most likely everyone you listen/watch/read.


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His dependence on the drug is public knowledge and justifiably

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:18 am on Dec 10, 2024
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brings into question his reliability…nothing unfair about that. Do a Wikipedia reference search and you’ll find quite a few of his peers are not enamored with his opinions…and many of THEM consider him to be very Conservative…which would color his thoughts about the Biden’s…not surprising that you picked him.

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Feel free to counter any of his arguments, rather than attacking his character.

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:25 am on Dec 10, 2024
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Socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth of Athens and impiety, his peers weren't enamored by his opinions either.

What an incredibly stupid, shallow and disingenuous deflection you've constructed. And all because you're afraid of what you might find if you sought truth.

"An unexamined life is not worth living" - wiki that, jackass.

Also, did you know Jordan took the extreme step of being put into a medically induced coma for 8 days to break his dependency on benzos? He was on the benzos originally because his wife was dying (she recovered).


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Sure...be glad to...JP asserts that Joe and Jill "enabled" Hunter's addiction...and yet they

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:03 am on Dec 10, 2024
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arranged a family "Intervention" that ultimately resulted in Hunter being thus far, clean and sober. Peterson utters not one word to that fact. How on earth can an 'Objective' Psychologist not include it in his summary of the situation?...unless, as I mentioned, he is a Biased Conservative...which others (referenced in his Wiki page) attest to.

The rest of his rant sounds like he's analyzing none other than Donald J. Trump...a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist from an early age due to his upbringing that checks every box for such a determination in the DSM-5 that he should have on his desk at all times. Listen to him in the video and tell me that's not descriptive of DJT ;-)...actually, not funny, but rather Ironic. If you don't buy that, check out his Psychologist niece, Mary Trump's, assessment.

Bottom Line...SC David Weiss took a complete look at HB's case and decided not to prosecute...then the GOP politicos went ballistic...refusing to cease harassing Hunter. What other choice does a father who's President have?...Sacrifice his surviving son for his own political image?...sounds like that would be your choice.


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Have you considered the possibility that DJT and The Big Guy are similarly horrible human beings?

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:12 am on Dec 10, 2024
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Because that has been my stance all along.

Yet, it would be easy to argue that Trump is the better father of the two.

Joe, while knowing his son was addicted to crack, put him in a position to exacerbate the addiction for his own personal gain. Not what a "loving father" would do.


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Joe Biden vs a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist?...are you on Shrooms right now?

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:25 am on Dec 10, 2024
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Here's a short clip of Dr. Peterson addressing your tortured narrative.

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:45 am on Dec 10, 2024
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If you actually contrasted Trump vs Biden on compassion, you'd find Trump wins.

"Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist" and easy argument to suggest Joe Biden is more that loaded description than DJT. Easy example, he didn't give a fuck about people falling off the landing gear of aircraft leaving Afghanistan. Many more examples, but you'll ignore them and deflect.

Edit- Lindsay Graham is your argument? Was a Cheney not available? Pathetic.


Link: https://youtube.com/shorts/C4O6rzHxiRo?si=I2y9AVIBvn1wZaQT

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You must remember that Ty truly believes Democrats are perfect people

Author: MarkHarman (7276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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Never said that…what I have said is that DJT is a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist from

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:52 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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whom nothing good can come…so right from the ‘get -go’ if you take his side…you lose.

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We have 50 years of demonstrated narcissism from The Big Guy.

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:49 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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Raw personal ambition.
A desire to win.
Loathing for the opposition.
A craving to be important.
An often unlimited appetite for attention. An urge to dominate and control.
A thirst for admiration.
Vanity.
A saviour complex.
Financial greed.

The real question is who was the last president who wasn't a narcissist?


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A Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist will never acknowledge a fault or apologize for it...JB has done

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:17 am on Dec 12, 2024
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that in regards to his personal history embellishments...and more recently, his performance at the Trump debate...Trump never apologizes, yet there are tons of examples where he should. Also, a "SMN" will never stop seeking power...JB willingly gave up the Presidency...but Trump fomented an insurrection in order to stay in power, and used that lie of a 'Stolen Election' to regain it. Then look/listen to DJT's litany of "Enemies" he intends to "Get Even With"...JB has never done such a thing...oh, and Trump's criminal indictments have been upheld by Grand Juries of his peers....nothing for JB...not even an Impeachment vote from the GOP controlled House.

Stop making stuff up in a futile attempt to hide your poor judgement.

Here's a real list faults that help define Sociopathic Malignant Narcissists....

Being extremely arrogant and self-centered...see Trump shoving other dignitaries aside to get to the front of an international gathering.
Disregarding the feelings and needs of other people...see Trump tossing rolls of paper towels to Puerto Rican hurricane victims
Manipulating, using, or exploiting others for personal gain or pleasure...see Trump assemble the Jan. 6th mob...all based on a lie
Having an extreme need for power...see Trump claim that 4,000 dead people voted in GA for Biden...(there were 4 ballots from deceased voters)...
Acts of revenge against those who criticize them...see what Trump is up to now.
Fantasizing about ways to obtain more power or dominance over others...see above
Lacking conscience, regret, or remorse for their actions...never see, nor hear Trump apologize to anyone for anything.
Being cruel and taking pleasure in the pain of others...see Trump mock a reporter with disabilities
High levels of aggression towards other people...see Trump's extremely thin skin when anyone says something negative about him.
Paranoia or mistrust of others...see Trump's inability to have anyone near him who does not pledge total loyalty to him.


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Fair.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:22 pm on Dec 10, 2024
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I posted this just recently...you must have missed it, so here it is again...fits DJT to a "Tee"...

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:29 am on Dec 10, 2024
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as for JB and the Afghanistan withdrawal...Those Afghanis falling off the landing gear were terrified of what the Taliban would do to them...we knew this...and U.S. Afghan Vets did especially...they lobbied Congress to provide more visas and assistance for the hundreds of thousands who helped keep them alive as interpreters and soldiers. YET...Trump did all he could to NOT aid them...he virtually stopped all Special Visas for Afghanis from the moment he entered the WH...and his "Deal" with the Taliban called for a May 1 withdrawal and only 2,500 U.S. troops for protection...i.e. zero time to get them out...ergo ZERO EMPATHY for their plight...exactly the way a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist would act.

So what did JB do upon taking office?...he ramped up the Special Visa process...negotiated more time for the withdrawal (May 1 ---> Late August)...worked with allied nations to also take in Afghanis...and in spite of a crumbling Afghani Military he got over 180,000 of them OUT...that's what you call true EMPATHY...and CHARACTER. The only "Mistake" in all of that was trying too hard for too long amidst dwindling protection (couldn't up our troop count w/o giving the Taliban an excuse to attack our troops) and increasing threats (e.g. ISIS suicide bomber).

Looks like you need a refresher on what constitutes a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist...so read the link...and as a primer, check out this excerpt...
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10 Signs of a Malignant Narcissist
Malignant narcissists often experience severe dysfunctions in their personal relationships, work, and ability to function in other areas of life.3,6 Their reckless behavior, disregard for others, and inability to form healthy relationships can make them easier to spot than people with fewer traits or more mild or ‘covert’ forms of narcissism.

Below are 10 common signs of a malignant narcissist:

1. They Use, Abuse, & Discard People
One of the main signs of a malignant narcissist is their long history of using, abusing, and discarding people who are no longer useful to them. Those closest to them will often see a pattern of broken relationships and friendships, as well as family members and significant others who have become useless or irrelevant to them. A malignant narcissist may very quickly drop someone after they’ve used this person to fulfill their narcissistic supply.

2. They Are Obsessed With Power
Malignant narcissists are often hungry for power and obsessed with ways to get more of it. They often vie for jobs that afford them this power or form relationships with people who are vulnerable to their control. Because they lack the ability to find worth within themselves, they have an extreme need for positions of superiority to make them feel successful.

3. Everything Is Personal for Them
To a malignant narcissist, everything is personal. If a person makes a joke about them, forgets to call them back, or if they are passed over for a promotion at work, they will be deeply offended and angry, triggering a narcissistic collapse. In the narcissist’s world, there is no such thing as an explanation for why someone does not treat them in the way they expect (and in their mind, deserve) to be treated.

4. They Hold Grudges & Take Revenge
A malignant narcissist is easily offended and when they are, their revenge can be brutal. People with this personality disorder tend to hold long grudges against anyone who has wronged or slighted them in any way. Even disagreeing with them, providing feedback, or questioning something said can result in swift, anger-filled revenge. A malignant narcissist may punish others by lashing out, ignoring them, or even cutting them off altogether.

5. They Take Pleasure From the Suffering of Others
Malignant narcissists can be cruel and even display traits similar to those with sadistic personality disorder, seeming to take a sick pleasure or satisfaction in the suffering of others. They may laugh or mock, intentionally humiliate, or use personal knowledge against someone. Unfortunately, this also means that they can be predators who will manipulate, abuse, and exploit people, either for personal gain or just for fun.

6. Nothing Is Ever Their Fault
Narcissists (and especially malignant narcissists) usually do not take the blame for any of their words or actions, even when they’re clearly in the wrong. Instead, they tend to lash out, get defensive, and find ways to blame other people, even when they have to bend and distort the truth to do so.

7. They Are Ruthless in Their Pursuit of What They Want
Malignant narcissists will often be ruthless in their pursuit of power, wealth, success, or recognition. When they want something, there may not be any line they’re unwilling to cross to get it, even at the direct expense of others who they say they care about. They may lie, manipulate, use, or even discredit people in order to get what they want.

8. They Don’t Have a Conscience
A lack of empathy or regard for the feelings of others is a symptom of both APD and NPD, and is common in malignant narcissists. People with this personality type will often have no remorse or regret for things they’ve done that have caused harm. Sometimes, it may be necessary to fake remorse in order to get what they want. However, typically they will admit no wrongdoing at all and genuinely don’t feel bad for their behavior.

9. They Have Many Enemies
It should come as no surprise that a malignant narcissist will have a long list of enemies, usually one that includes former friends, lovers, and members of their own family. They tend to make enemies easily as even the slightest offense can cause them to discard anyone. Because relationships are only a means to an end for them, it’s fairly easy for a malignant narcissist to break off a tie, even with those close to them.

10. No One Will See Their Insecurities
Deep down, narcissists are extremely insecure. However, a malignant narcissist will never let these insecurities show to others. Instead, they will become defensive, lash out, shut down, or even destroy relationships when they feel threatened. They will often mask their low self-esteem behind a façade of arrogance or grandiosity.
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Fits Donald J. Trump to a "Tee"...doesn't it...Oh, and using that clip of JP as backup only proves that he's trying to Gaslight his audience re: Trump's "Compassion"...you'd have to be comatose to not see DJT constantly calling for harm to others...just like a Sociopathic Malignant Narcissist would.


Link: https://www.choosingtherapy.com/malignant-narcissist/#:~:text=Malignant%20narcissism%20is%20used%20to,and%20are%20considered%20largely%20untreatable.

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Now that you've done your own research, go back and watch what a leading clinical psych said.

Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:30 am on Dec 10, 2024
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More research...one peer calls him the "Professor of Piffle"...a Canadian columnist terms him...

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:45 am on Dec 12, 2024
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"The Stupid Man's Smart Person"...read the attached link for more on Jordan Peterson's reputation.

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

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Author: iairishcheeks (27167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:20 am on Dec 10, 2024
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