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The Center will no longer hold. We will pay a steep price.

Author: Frank L (64207 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:51 am on Dec 29, 2024
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The Center Left is already gone. The author is correct. The Center Right joined it this year.

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/27/centre-right-extremism-the-west-moderates-populist

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Thread Level: 2

The Guardian’s view of the “center” is far to the left.

Author: Curly1918 (16241 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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And Trump is neither left nor right… or is both! He’s all over the place. It’s all about him!

Thread Level: 3

Agreed. Furthermore, what is “center”? I never found a clear definition on this term in political

Author: Eli (9501 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:30 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Sense. To me, center is a statistical concept, not individual concept. For example, if in this country 52% are right, 48% are left, we say this country is center right. Or if 52% are left and 48% are right, it is center left. The center here is a statistical concept.

For a person, let's say he is pro- gun. So, he is right. But he is also pro-choice, so he is also left. Overall, i.e . statistically he is in center.

What does it mean? It means center has no its own idealogy, no its own original thoughts, no clear identity. A centrist is like a parasite, depending on ideas of others.


Thread Level: 3

He’s clearly populist right out of convenience. The point isn’t whether the Guardian is well Left.

Author: Frank L (64207 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:33 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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It’s that there is no Center Right anymore. Nor is there a Center Left. The article also doesn’t exactly praise the Center Right or traditional R’s.

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So the Guardisn’s bias is not fair response to one of their pontifications?

Author: Curly1918 (16241 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:49 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Not on this article. Does anyone doubt that the GOP has been taken over by the MAGA extreme?

Author: Frank L (64207 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:10 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Do you seriously question that premise?

Thread Level: 2

The rejection of Trump by dozens of GOP House members, and a sufficient number of

Author: TyroneIrish (19877 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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GOP Senators provides a measure of hope. Should that resistance hold, or expand, it would definitely signal a return to "Normal Order" here in the U.S.. Unfortunately, there will be serious damage while he is in office.

Thread Level: 3

Damage? What kind and to whom?

Author: Curly1918 (16241 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:39 pm on Dec 30, 2024
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Thread Level: 3

The voters didn't reject him... that's all that matters

Author: MarkHarman (7251 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:07 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Scores of GOP cabinet members, aides, Congressmen, Senators, Military Leaders who

Author: TyroneIrish (19877 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:08 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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know him well have rejected him...learn from them.

Thread Level: 5

Scoreboard, own it and quit complaining

Author: ColeyO (12461 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:43 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Thread Level: 6

I'm on record accepting the 2024 election results...now, do you accept the fact that 38 GOP House

Author: TyroneIrish (19877 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:01 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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members stood up and rejected Trump's express demand that they pass his Budget Bill...and the fact that Senate Republicans also rejected DJT's choice for Senate Majority Leader, as well as his "Brilliant" #1 choice for AG (Matt Gaetz)?

The Donald may issue a bunch of Executive Orders, but in order to get any meaningful legislation passed, he's going to need Democrats...who are united...unlike the GOP. Oh, and we'll all be keeping score on his pre-election promises.

That's Reality...now back to your fantasy world...


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Thread Level: 7

You whiffed again. Keep yr head up

Author: ColeyO (12461 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:11 pm on Dec 30, 2024
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Thread Level: 5

Van Jones would like a word with you

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYNSCJ-DzsU

Thread Level: 6

The Democratic Party needs to do a better job of getting through to consumers of 'non-legacy' media,

Author: TyroneIrish (19877 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:16 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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with messaging that resonates at their gut-level and not 'head level'...but as for the FOX team describing Trump as "Incredibly Smart" shows they have comprehension issues...just look at his choices for cabinet positions...Matt Gaetz for AG?...Hegseth for DOD?...RFK Jr. for HHS? They (FOX hosts) are the ones who have not reached "Adulthood".

These next 18 months are going to be "interesting" to say the least...but it's going to be as much a challenge for the GOP's future as it is for Democrats...never mind the country.


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Van Jones said he was smart. You didn’t need to watch anymore. Gaetz was horrible for AG. I’m glad

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 8:56 am on Dec 30, 2024
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he’s gone.

Maybe democrats should have a real primary next time and let the voters decide and not Washington DC.


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Thread Level: 2

The best way to fix this is to constantly post to insult the other side.

Author: NedoftheHill (44381 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:16 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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If the center left is gone, did you vote extreme left?

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 3

This is great.

Author: PaND (2652 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 1:41 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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You’d think they would look in the mirror sometimes.

Thread Level: 3

More extreme than I wanted to vote for. Not a centrist that’s for sure. You should also look at

Author: Frank L (64207 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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yourself for a change. You suck up to, defend and deflect for the populist crazy right. You also regularly insult the other side while criticizing others for doing so.. I know what my deal with the devil was. You are in denial about yours.

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Thread Level: 4

All true and Ned used to be the voice of reason. What a disappointment

Author: Domer From Hell (15904 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 5

Heh. Now you just have FrankL as your only voice of reason.

Author: NedoftheHill (44381 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:55 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 6

In fairness to Frank…he is/was right about Trump from the beginning.

Author: Domer From Hell (15904 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:26 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 7

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Author: NedoftheHill (44381 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:40 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yeah, he’ll find the peepee tape before he dies.

Author: PaND (2652 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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