very sick or dying if you are vaxxed. If you aren’t without medical reason then live or die with it. It’s your freedom to possibly suffer and die. The only pause I have is with those who medically can’t get vaxxed or who are immunocompromised. That seems like a pretty small group though.
using a mask to filter out the covid virus is like putting up a chain link fence to block the air from your lawn.
about the same relative properties.
The way things are going it’s not just libertarians who distrust the government. Even the autocrats in Silicon Valley will be powerless to quell the anti-lockdown rebellion
paradise like curls and you believe.
The most severe lockdown was directed by the prior occupant, I think with good reason.
Masking helped save lives before the vax for those who couldn’t work at home.
But it’s past time to end both.
You do know there is middle ground between zero lockdowns and masking and perpetuating them when not necessary? My philosophy has always been that mandates are an infringement on liberty and should be used only as long as absolutely needed from a public health standpoint, and not a second longer. I err on the side of lifting, not perpetuating.
They are dropping out of the work force like crazy....some are bad stories and friends of mine not just work associates. 4 weeks ago I had about 50 guys onsite 95% Mexican or of Mexican decent, today I had 35.
Whites that I know for the most part are getting vaccinated.
My friends that are black there is no in between, getting it or not getting it.
Again, in my world.
They make their choice. They also should take the consequences.
Plenty of dumbasses to go around.
I give up on them.
Americans who are unvaccinated...some may indeed be jerks, but a sizable number are kids under 12 years old...like my three G-kids...who are not yet able to get the vaccines. Due to protocols/regulations, approvals won't be coming until after November from what I'm hearing (ID Doc)...everyone wishes it were sooner, but the rules are there for a reason...so, until then, I'm hoping that we can all pull together for a little longer and do what we've been doing...i.e. wear a mask when in close proximity to others indoors...the attached article, btw, demonstrates that children are indeed vulnerable...and being American as opposed to Indonesian means nothing to the COVID virus.
Frankly, as much as I scratch my head over adults who should know better, they are real people who are integral members of our society, doing jobs that likely serve us all well...we need to protect them too...and minimizing COVID threats is how we do it.
Again, and I can't thank Baron enough (seriously), his MIT report was data driven and it proves that masking is remarkably effective in reducing COVID transmission...absolutely no doubt about it, so please don't assume otherwise.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/world/asia/children-deaths-virus-indonesia.html
You'd be far better off getting those kids to go outside and not taking them to McDs than to get them the vaccine.
then explain why there's no way that could happen here in the USA.
Getting rabies should be a greater fear for your grandchildren, damn they probably have mammals as pets!
But at the present moment, given the stats available, your grandkids and my children (14 and 12) are more likely to die in a car accident on the way to getting the vaccine than from the virus itself.
You'll find data to support your hysteria regardless and I'll continue to live my life in the absence of fear.
You do you.
cognizant of others who read these posts...just trying to pass along relevant information.
but rather communication of important facts for everyone's benefit.
Spoiler alert!
Facts are on my side at the moment, of course it may change, but for now...
their constituents to get vaccinated due to the reports of rapidly increasing hospitalizations they're getting from their own health officials...won't be long before they, too, will be calling for masking. All over the world, countries are implementing tighter restrictions, stronger "vaccine passport" requirements, etc.
Wake up to reality, Ned...we all wish the Delta variant hadn't come along and that a significant portion of our population wasn't under the influence of an off-the-charts narcissist who is terrified of what awaits him without the protection of the Oval Office, and won't come out with a strong public statement for them to get vaccinated and wear their masks...it is what it is.
Virtually all have serious co-mornidities.
available soon. Their risk is also low. Get thee fookin shots or face the consequences.
taking appropriate steps, such as continuing to do what we've learned thus far...wear masks if the CDC says so.
The frustration is palpable, but 'survivable'...we can vent our anger at those who are making life tougher for everyone (including themselves), but we still can't turn our backs on the realities of COVID...we must do what has to be done.
It won’t be with kids though. The only ones I care about are peeps like PB’s son in law. The rest of them and their cheerleaders like some here can deal with the consequences.
90% of those most vulnerable have been jabbed, so if the others get sick likely they just suffer a bit.
Their choice and while I don't approve it is up to them (kinda like smoking, drinking, drug use, obesity etc. etc. etc.)
I am over wearing a mask so that someone else who chose not to vax is comfortable. Their choice, but now it's my choice not to pull some useless piece of cloth off the floor in the back seat of my car and fake like I am actually making anyone safer :-)
with a pre-existing condition who are being hospitalized. Those hospitalized are 99% not vaccinated from the virus. These who are hospitalized are asking for the vaccine when it’s too late.
Minimizing the unvaccinated precarious position is cult speak baloney.
I said it's available and if you want it get it. And for the most part, those that are most vulnerable have... (if either of those two statements are factually incorrect please let me know)
It is also true that of those who chose not to get it, the vast majority won't wind up in the hospital... which I am guessing is my "cult speak?" (again, if this is factually incorrect please let me know)
In any case, the onus is on the individual to get vaccinated and if he/she does not, that is their choice. No need for me to mask if the individuals do not protect themselves.
Ride a motorcycle without a helmet (where legal) your choice but little sympathy here after the wreck.
I figure the unvaccinated made their choice.
I made my choice to get vaccinated, knowing there were possible risks.
Let's live now.
Why impose a mask mandate?...that makes no sense. Everyone made their choice. Now, the government just needs to recognize that, and let people live.
vaccine passports for everyone and no allowances for the unvaccinated.
consequences as you continue to screw the healthcare system and medical workers.
Zero sympathy from me.
Then again, it is a typical liberal move to use something like that as an excuse to train people to be subservient to the State.
You can "oppose" it if you don't like it, and think it is unwarranted.
You can "oppose" it if you don't like it, but think it is warranted, and therefore actually support the decision.
Or, you can "oppose" it personally, but support it politically.
So, the question is, will you let him answer which is true for him?...and will he take the opportunity to say what he believes? I'm guessing he will run away on this. You let him off the hook. He will use your post as a reason not to post further in this subthread.
despite what you think he implies.
since a large portion of Neddie’s group can’t think for themselves and get vaccinated we all might be forced to go back to mask wearing. With that should include Vax passports and if you’re sick with C19 and you haven’t been vaccinated, need a Dr.‘s care or need to be hospitalized all those costs go directly to that unvaccinated person and not to the government. Also, if you are not vaccinated you will not be allowed in public spaces - cinema’s, grocery stores, work places where there are others working, and on and on - a lockdown for those who continue to refuse to be vaccinated.
But until we are above 90% vaccinated in this country I can understand why we should all mask up again.
I hope this clears things up
vaxxed or who are immunocompromised. But I’m very over wearing one to protect dumbass plague rats.
