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"Why Trump won't be deporting "millions" of criminals"...

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:14 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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...from the attached article...
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Study after study has indicated that immigrants — those in the U.S. legally, and those who aren't — commit crimes at lower rates than U.S. citizens.
"This scary rhetoric that says it's about so-called dangerous people and serious criminals within our midst," Tumlin said. "The numbers, the math ... just doesn't math."

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Keep track of the numbers as this plays out...we could have done all this with the bipartisan Immigration and Border Protection Bill a year ago...that Trump killed in order to keep MAGAs all riled up...and voting for him.


Link: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/undocumented-immigrants-crime-deportations-trump

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Thread Level: 2

We have enough problems with homegrown criminals without importing them from other countries.

Author: iairishcheeks (27178 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:06 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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The goal for the number of illegal immigrants who commit other crimes should be zero. And the only way you can approach that goal is by deporting criminals.

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I know...even our President is opening our prisons and letting them out among us.

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:22 am on Jan 30, 2025
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He should have sent them to Ukraine.

Author: iairishcheeks (27178 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:15 am on Jan 30, 2025
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But he didn’t…did he…

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:55 am on Jan 30, 2025
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No...........

Author: iairishcheeks (27178 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:12 am on Jan 30, 2025
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How are they able to work in this country without a SSN? How does the employer report their wages?

Author: MarkHarman (7277 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:58 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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Go look it up and get back to us.

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:21 am on Jan 30, 2025
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I'm asking you since you know everything.

Author: MarkHarman (7277 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:35 am on Jan 30, 2025
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Sorry to be so curt with you, Mark, but it's in your own best interest to do a little research

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:40 pm on Jan 30, 2025
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before posting...and it's really not that hard. All you have to do is conjure up a question, like "How do Undocumented Immigrants get jobs and pay Federal Taxes?"...then plug it into your browser...you'll get several responses, and I've linked one of them which goes into great detail.

Link: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/

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He can’t find a Maddow video so he’s confused

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 10:23 am on Jan 30, 2025
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Here are two ways it is done

Author: Mark (865 Posts - Joined: Jul 23, 2015)

Posted at 9:59 am on Jan 30, 2025
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1. One way to avoid eVerify is to keep your payroll under the minimum reporting requirements. In Tennessee, for example, there is no reporting requirement for companies with less than 35 employees. Then, payroll has to be handled in-house -- the payroll processors will require I-9s, and if they don't check out, they will flag them. Typically undocumented employees will provide fake credentials, including fake SSNs. Wages are withheld and credited to the actual owner of the SSN, who more often than not does not catch it. The employer, however, almost always is aware and turns a blind eye to the process, because the employer needs the workers. Lots of times the employer will create new companies to make sure that they can remain under the reporting requirements.

2. Pay wages in cash and don't withhold.

Both of these common methods of hiring undocumented workers are illegal.


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According to friends in our City Hall, it's an open secret for Option #1...they see such exchanges

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:28 pm on Jan 30, 2025
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take place on street corners.

Thread Level: 6

So illegal aliens ARE committing crimes in order to be employed

Author: MarkHarman (7277 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:20 pm on Jan 30, 2025
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No, I don't think the statute reads that way

Author: Mark (865 Posts - Joined: Jul 23, 2015)

Posted at 3:45 pm on Jan 30, 2025
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Under 8 U.S.C. §1324a(f), any person or entity that engages in a pattern or practice of hiring or employing undocumented aliens can be fined up to $3000 for each unauthorized worker, imprisoned for up to six months of the entire pattern or practice, or both.

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"It takes TWO to Tango"...do a search on this Forum with my Username and the keywords...

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:41 pm on Jan 30, 2025
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"Texas"..."Lawmakers"..."Employers"..."Undocumented"..."Workers". That's what's going on all over the nation...even at Trump businesses.

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I've always found Option #2 to be puzzling.

Author: jakers (13896 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:31 am on Jan 30, 2025
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I mean, I get the concept: Pay in cash and don't have a record of said employee(s). But to do that, you also can't really report the expense on your Income Statement, because you obviously can't produce a receipt for it.

So, either your business's profit margins are so high that you can afford to dramatically increase the personal wages that you claim for yourself by the amount of the cash paid to the hidden employees (therefore indirectly paying them out of your own pocket), or the portion of your total costs that these employees represent is such a small piece that it's immaterial and you tuck it in a larger C.O.G.S. line knowing that it won't be audited.....but if either were the case, then there wouldn't be any need to hire illegal labor to save money.

Or, I guess it's possible that the C.P.A. who audits your financial statements is a friend who turns a blind eye, which is always possible.


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Sorry, Ty, but sniffing a kid’s hair isn’t normal behavior again.

Author: Cole (16190 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 10:07 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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You're getting closer to the subject matter than I expected, Cole...keep up the good work ;-)

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:52 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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Except the knuckle draggers definition of criminal includes

Author: Frank L (64700 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:57 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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the border crossing. Makes those kids deported to Columbia criminals I guess.

Thread Level: 2

You people put these savages in our country.

Author: jakers (13896 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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They're going home.

Thread Level: 2

Civil violation my ass, it is criminal and spin it anyway you want it. Same old disinformation

Author: jamie (1485 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:20 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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Thread Level: 3

Here you go idjit. Educate yourself.

Author: Frank L (64700 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:38 am on Jan 30, 2025
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Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-questioned-after-leavitt-says-all-undocumented-people-are-criminals/ar-AA1y4HQh

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That's the way the law is written, Jamie...write or call your Representative and Senators if you're

Author: TyroneIrish (20477 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:04 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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that incensed about having people available to pick your fruits and vegetables...help build structures and roadways...cook your food and clean your hotel rooms...clean your President's bedroom...etc., etc.

Most of all, try doing a little research before wasting everyone's time with posts like you just made.


Thread Level: 4

^^^TTC

Author: Buffaloirish (1472 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 11:23 pm on Jan 29, 2025
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