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Two certain things....

Author: IrishMac (1682 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:59 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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1) There will never be peace in Gaza if left up to Israel and the Palestinians.
2) The U.S. doesn't need to be nation building.


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Thread Level: 2

Trump clearly said that other Arab countries were willing to foot the bill.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58840 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:57 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Sounds like we would just be doing the clear out and the contracting.

I t may not be the solution, but the old way has failed enough to know it'll do so again.
I like the fact that someone is thinking outside the box.
This IS in America's interest since Hamas has attacked the US as well, but also since a healthy Israel in the ME is critical to the US interests.


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What's the name, I am withholding my support depending on what it's called.

Author: iairishcheeks (26728 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:06 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Gazapalooza.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58840 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:09 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Alright I am on board.

Author: iairishcheeks (26728 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Trump speaks on both sides of his orange face. Other countries foot the bill and the US "own it"?

Author: Quest4twelve (6464 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:53 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Sure thing.

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"Mr. Bleach, EVs, Sharks, etc." isn't capable of doing any thinking when it comes to Foreign Policy,

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:20 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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and especially the Middle East...always with the "_______ will pay for it"

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Only numbskulls would needlessly involve US military in the Middle East.

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Unfortunately, the best example of such a cretin currently occupies the Oval

Author: Frank L (64019 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:19 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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When Bush was prepping to invade Iraq, I always said we'd win the war. But, could we win the peace?

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:31 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Eggszactly. I would only add that there needs to be 2 state solution.

Author: Frank L (64019 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Palestinians won't accept that, though. From the river to the sea and all that.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:23 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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As Golda Meir said: "There will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel."

That is why the "Riviera of the Middle East" would fail, too. The Gazans will want to kill Israelis and Americans more than they want their children to grow up in peace and prosperity.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Trying to paint ALL Palestinians as Hamas extremists is flat out wrong. Also, the Biden admin. was

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:03 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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making solid progress with Saudi Arabia and others Arab nations toward a Two-State Solution for the Palestinians, along with a 'Mutual Defense' Pact between the USA/SA...Then the Iran-backed Hamas attack happened. (see...https://www.brookings.edu/articles/making-sense-of-a-proposed-us-saudi-deal/...)

Peace can be achieved, and should be pursued, so long as it involves a Two-State Solution for the Palestinians and Israelis...right now, there are, according to Thomas Friedman, three road blocks that must be cleared away...and they involve three 'Regime Changes'...as described in his NYT Opinion piece (...https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/opinion/israel-iran-gaza.html...)...1) PLA leadership change away from Abbas to one of many capable alternatives...2) Replacement of Netanyahu with a moderate, favoring the Two State Solution (they exist)...and 3) Iran Regime change...not likely anytime soon, but not impossible.

Israel is critical to U.S. Security in that sector of the world...plain and simple...but that link is at risk if we stiff arm the Arab nations, which is what Netanyahu and Trump are trying to do...to the delight of Vladimir Putin.


Link: https://www.dw.com/en/has-palestinians-perception-of-hamas-changed/a-70021640

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Your 3 points are valid. I also don’t view all of them in that manner. Do view them as repetitively

Author: Frank L (64019 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:25 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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governed by horrible leadership of their own making which has been as much their enemy as Israel. And the 10/7 atrocity has forever tarnished their aspirations IMHO. Even the feckin Irish were able to overcome the IRA and the Ulster nationalists. These people keep stepping on their own dicks.

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No doubt they are primarily to blame. This could have been settled in 2000 if Arafat had said yes.

Author: Frank L (64019 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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And 10/7 may have driven a stake into it.

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Yep.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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One possibility: W/O Iranian incitement AND $, HAMAS might wither and die

Author: Curly1918 (16156 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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Amy effort to build a Palestinian state beside Israel must be preceded by the elimination of Iranian involvement in this region… at least as long as the mullahs remain in power.

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agreed

Author: 86domer (667 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:05 pm on Feb 5, 2025
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