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This is what a dictator would do

Author: Chris94 (36449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:03 am on Feb 6, 2025
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No cult member will acknowledge that what Trump is doing is weakening the federal bureaucracy because it was one of the few remaining checks on his power.

No cult member will ever say is the tyrant we told you he is.

But maybe some in the cult will acknowledge that, if a dictator wanted to rule in America, he would do exactly what Trump has done these last two weeks.

It’s what every dictator does.


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Yes, dictators try to restrict the power of government; make it answerable to the citizenry

Author: NedoftheHill (44308 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Now …. back to Earth I.

Author: conorlarkin (20746 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:10 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/06/elon-musk-doge-access-personnel-data-opm-security/

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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One problem, he wants to make it answerable only to him. That is what dictators do.

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:53 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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And you think it’s okay to increase federal executive authority for things you agree with.

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So, you think the Executive wants to control the Executive Branch? Shocking.

Author: NedoftheHill (44308 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:20 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Guess we agree on what is happening. You just want a bureaucracy which is not answerable to the citizenry. That is where we disagree.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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No he wants to control the government and make it answerable to him. Big difference in words there.

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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You switched government to executive branch. There are parts of government not answerable to him.

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In the Constitution, Congress and the Judiciary are the checks on executive power, not bureaucrats!

Author: Curly1918 (16163 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:24 am on Feb 6, 2025
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The problem has been that we have not had effective checks on our unelected bureaucrats.

They consider themselves our ruling class and not merely our civil servants.


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Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:55 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Correct. Calling Trump "unchecked" is a blatant lie.

Author: Hensou (7958 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:56 am on Feb 6, 2025
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So you agree that a governmental entity established by Congress can only be eliminated by Congress?

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:54 am on Feb 6, 2025
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And that money authorized to be spent by Congress can’t be impounded by the Executive?

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Is there anything you think your cult could have done differently?

Author: iairishcheeks (26730 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:55 am on Feb 6, 2025
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Hang on.

Author: jakers (13704 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:37 am on Feb 6, 2025
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(This is a genuine question, so I hope you don't lash out at me again like earlier in the week).

What is "dictatorial" so far? You and I have both agreed that we will need to tackle the debt issue through a combination of both tax reform and spend reduction. I want a simpler tax code and higher incremental taxes at the highest marginal rates....I would hope that we all can align that this is a good idea.

But we have got to take down spend. We have an I.R.S. that audits our citizens' income and requires receipts and diligence during an audit. There is no justification to not have even greater transparency with how our tax dollars are being spent. And accountability for those are wasting billions.

Furthermore, our trade balance is and has been badly tilted outward. We need to correct this as well.

What specifically has you concerned about dictator-like direction?


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When one lashes out at FBI field agents who took assignments…

Author: RocketRay (116 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:24 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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ments they were given (including those of the law-breaker norm-breaker) then one is not interested in good governance but simply retribution. If you can not see this you are more stupid than you were in your “go fist yourself” childish days.

This IS what a dictator would do. The sad thing is that most Trump voters would celebrate if he said he was “taking over” and canceling future elections. You?

Dems have huge problems. They are stupid on many fronts. But they are not a threat to the order. MAGATS(e.g. Bannon) are. As we reverse say in New Orleans…..don’t be in that number.


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Forget the issues for a minute. We can agree or disagree on them. That's not the point.

Author: Chris94 (36449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:46 am on Feb 6, 2025
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This is unprecedented, unchecked expansion of executive power. He is attacking all possible limits on his power.

Gutting the civil service has never been done, since it was established in the late 19 century. It was there to avoid the "spoils system" that had functioned poorly. But he convinced his followers that there was a "deep state" and got rid of anyone who might push back.

Declaring emergencies is a great way to expand executive power. He controls our tariffs only because he declared an "emergency" - the Commerce Clause in the constitution clearly gives that power to the Congress. So Trump just declares an emergency and takes it over. He is deploying troops to the border under the same "emergency" declaration.

Freeing the 1/6 militia is not what the

Blatant illegality - what he is doing to USAID is not legal. When Congress appropriates money, Treasury MUST cut the check. But he does not care.

The whole DOGE thing - having 20something zealots with no security checks firing people - ought to scare everyone.

Democracy depends on norms and restraint. The cult will never admit it, since the Dear Leader can do no wrong, but THIS IS HOW A DICTATOR WOULD ACT.

Maybe you think that, deep down, he is not a tyrant. But we all should recognize that, if he were, this is what he would do.


Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/02/trump-musk-congress-constitution/681568/

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I'm about to go into meetings, but I will respond later.

Author: jakers (13704 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Trump reflects the will of the people. Dems challenge his actions at their peril.

Author: LanceManion (7648 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 12:53 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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So did Chavez. And Orban. And Putin. And Hitler.

Author: Chris94 (36449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:57 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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And since dictators and thugs say "challenge me at your peril," thank you for proving my point.

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Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Author: LanceManion (7648 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 5:37 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Goes well with bleach.

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:14 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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“You don’t have the legal right to eliminate our political graft” & give taxpayers back their money"

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Go ahead, die on that hill.

The congress will absolutely back it up - but you don’t get to pay the MSM outlets huge sums of tax payer money to write favorable stories for Dems while those slower wheels grind.

Dems abused the American People’s hard earned cash for their own benefit and agenda. Not once have you acknowledged that. Shameful.

PS - Joe does have dementia - you never apologized


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Maybe Congress gave up too much of its power to the executive branch?

Author: Curly1918 (16163 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:55 am on Feb 6, 2025
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The bureaucracy is under the control of the executive.

If things get out of hand, Congress and/or the Courts have the power to curtail excesses.

THAT is how it was designed to function.

If the people are unhappy with debureaucratization they can change things next election.


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Absolutely right. And if Trump establishes a sovereign wealth fund, they will cede more.

Author: Chris94 (36449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:48 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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The Gaza bullshit is all distraction. If Trump creates a sovereign wealth fund, he seizes the power of appropriation.

My guess is that none of you have heard about this, or know what a sovereign wealth fund is, or why we don't have one. Google it.

Democracy is eroded little by little by little by little....


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"Democracy is eroded little by little by little by little...."

Author: iairishcheeks (26730 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:00 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Agree, and one of the ways that happens is through unelected and unchecked bureaucracies.

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You would have a point...if that ever happened, anywhere (except in cult fever dreams)

Author: Chris94 (36449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:56 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Just deflecting horse shit swallowed whole by fucking dopes.

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Denial and Isolation is Stage 1.

Author: iairishcheeks (26730 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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This is correct, Chris acts like the bureaucracy is some constitutionally protected necessity.

Author: iairishcheeks (26730 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:07 am on Feb 6, 2025
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No it isn’t the way things happen. Agencies and departments established and funded by Congress

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:05 am on Feb 6, 2025
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can only be eliminated or defunded by Congress, not by UNELECTED people not even employed by the govt. You do claim to be a lawyer, yes? You did take Con Law in LS, yes?

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Or someone who believes this is a republic of states with specific limited Federal power. Either/or.

Author: LanceManion (7648 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:37 am on Feb 6, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Is banning trans athletes by executive order, a specific, limited power granted to the federal

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:09 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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government let alone to the executive branch?

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I don't think the framers contemplated that we'd be having a debate about what is a man/woman.

Author: LanceManion (7648 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Thanks for making my point. It is and should be a states issue.

Author: Frank L (64023 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:21 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Hysterical nonsense. He's doing what he was elected to do.

Author: Hensou (7958 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 8:41 am on Feb 6, 2025
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it's not like he's waiving off college debt against SCOTUS rulings or commuting the sentences of

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:21 am on Feb 6, 2025
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murderers.

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There is no need to use Whataboutisms - we are right on this, and can easily defend it.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:23 am on Feb 6, 2025
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This is what dismantling a bureaucratic dictatorship of unelected, entitled lifers looks like.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:12 am on Feb 6, 2025
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Of course, it looks like Armageddon to those invested in the bureaucracy.
There is also the added factor of a decoupling of a radical religion and its' agenda from govt as well (wokism/liberalism). It's zealots will do anything to stop it - some even attempting assassination.
As that has failed thus far, I refer you to Elisabeth Kubler Ross for what to expect next.


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That is not a thing. And the Civil Service is there for a reason - you should read more history.

Author: Chris94 (36449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:31 am on Feb 6, 2025
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An election doesn't go your way, and you give up on democracy.

Author: NedoftheHill (44308 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:20 pm on Feb 6, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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imagine how many lib supporters have been drinking at the grifter trough for years and years?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16167 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:23 am on Feb 6, 2025
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Agree, via their chosen skewed information sources. But unlike them....

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:26 am on Feb 6, 2025
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...we will not be calling on the restriction of their information sources.

Who blocked free speech during COVID?
Who was targeting religious groups?
Who wants to use discriminatory practices to award positons of importance to people based on skin color and gender rather than merit?


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This Board is filled with enablers.

Author: conorlarkin (20746 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:08 am on Feb 6, 2025
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Yes, they lost the election.

Author: Hensou (7958 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 8:43 am on Feb 6, 2025
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The way forward is to allow you to spend all of our money on your radical causes, eh?

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:21 am on Feb 6, 2025
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Otherwise, we are NAZI's?

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