Israel receives far and away more aid from the US than the Ukraine. Why does MAGA approve of one
over the other? MAGAlogic?
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Which one do you think should receive proportionately more aid, and why?
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Maybe because their form of warfare is as genocidal as Putin's?
Elon also approves its EFFICIENCY.
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That is amazingly naive of him.
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Jesus said to turn the other cheek.
The winning strategy is turning the majority average Palestinian against minority Hamas. That is unless you just want to kill them all.
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I don't understand why both parties capitulate to Israel.
But I am sure it has something to do with lobbying.
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Lots of Democrats want to kill Jews. From the river to the sea, and all that.
Funny how the anticolonialists don't acknowledge that the Christians are the only peoples who didn't "colonize" the Middle East. They converted it peacefully beginning at Jesus' death until the Muslims invaded to colonize.
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Ok, Adolph. Whatever you say.
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So why doesn't he do that?
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Apparently not if Chris is right...which is why I asked why Putin hasn't done that.
Why would Putin allow US aid to go to Ukraine?...again, assuming he could stop it, which is kind of silly. The fact that it still flows discredits Chris ( and I guess you too if you believe him).
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Have you been paying any attention at all?
If you had, you might have noticed that Trump had a 90-minute call with Putin...and then came away spouting Russian disinformation. And caving to all his demands.
Now the US is demanding 50% of Ukraine's mineral wealth, to compensate for wartime assistance.
Now the US is demanding Ukraine hold wartime elections.
Now the US is blaming Ukraine for the war. Which is like blaming the rape victim. Which Trump also does.Try not to be a complete moron. You might like how it feels.
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You really need to step out of your information bubble.
BaronVonZemo 64220 postsYou also need to listen to Trump speak himself to understand how the TDS media spins his meaning . Very much like when he said that there were “very fine people” on each side of the statue issue and they spun it to claim he called racists “very fine people”.
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So, according to Ned…
Trump doesn’t mean what he says? That isn’t becoming of a president, is it? Especially if he says one thing and does the opposite.
He called Zelensky a dictator because the Ukraine hasn’t had elections. The reason, of course, is because the Ukraine has been in a state of marshal law.
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I didn't say that.....or, if I did, I didn't mean it. ;-)
I actually didn't say that. Let me elaborate on my post below:
Sometimes Trump means what he says because he says 1000 things a day in his daily interviews and press conferences (something no other president has done). He may mean them, but he says them without advice of his subordinates. By the time he acts, he usually acts reasonably.
Sometimes he demands things he knows he won't get in order to negotiate or motivate behavior. Just a change in tone by POTUS slowed down border crossings. When negotiating, you often ask for 3 times what you want, saying you must get it to be made whole...when you know you will have to compromise later and accept less to allow the other side to save face. Does that mean he didn't mean it?
Sometimes (more often than not), what he is reported to have said is taken out of context to create a talking point (like Chris94 always did with the Charlotte comments, continually doubling down on his lie about Trump because he wants to score political points, and he relies on low-information Democrats to just trust him because he has a Ph.D.).
Then again, he may say some things he doesn't mean...like every other president before him.
I definitely said I don't follow what he says most of the time. The guy gives hours of interviews a day. I don't have time to listen to him, and nor do I want to listen to him. I see no point in it. He will do what he will do because he was elected. In a few years, we will all get a chance to reassess. Why freak out about it now???
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Ned, are you gunning for the "Baghdad Bob of the Week" award?...delving into "Alternative Facts"?...
...let's go back to 2020 and look at DJT's Top 40 'Broken Promises'...i.e. NOT doing what he said he would...in the attached summary. In NONE of those cases did Trump act "Reasonably"...he simply Lied.
It's only gotten worse from there.
You're intelligent enough to see all of this, and yet you deny the truth...repeatedly...so that's unabashedly dishonest...WHY do you do this?
Link: https://prospect.org/politics/trumps-40-biggest-broken-promises/
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Says the person with the least amount of credibility on this board.
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I second that. Lying is the second worst of the proclivities he is known for,but
mentioning the first will earn a quick trip to sit in the corner
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Pick a topic of your choice...let's see who has the Credibility...btw, I'm still waiting for your
reply on the Abortion issue. I rebutted your statements, but you fail to respond...that's not an example of displaying 'Credibility'...or Courage in your conviction.
Now, back to Trump's lies...how can you ignore such a volume and claim that he "Acts Reasonably" after telling them?...He clearly doesn't. You're either very confused, or you're adding your own lies.
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I'm still waiting for your reply after I replied.
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How long does that ban on elections go on, esp when he is so unpopular? Just keep sending $ eh?
BaronVonZemo 64220 postsI recall Ukraine’s corruption as well as Putin’s horrors.
They can both be true….see my post to Ned below.Ask yourself
1) Is this war winnable for Ukraine?
2) Who wants peace
3) Who wants to keep fighting?
4) Where is the unaccounted money?I have been bothered about Z for a couple of years and have posted as such.
I will not trust PutinI think we are in a shit load of crap here, and I agree with Trump that we need to get out now.
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He's not unpopular. That is Russian disinformation, which Trump was too stupid to see.
His approval rating is below.
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Perhaps you missed it. He has been tweeting like a madman - 8 lies in one post yesterday.
Everything I posted came directly from him.
Sorry.
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By “lies”, you mean different than you believe/have been told?
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Here are the 8 lies. All demonstrably false, no ambiguity.
All from one tweet yesterday. Here it is, verbatim, so you know there is no spin involved.
Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe’s money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn’t Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is “MISSING.” He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden “like a fiddle.” A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only “TRUMP,” and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the “gravy train” going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues…..
The lies:
US spent $350 Billion in Ukraine
US spent $200 Billion more than Europe
Europe’s money is guaranteed (not sure what this even means)
half the $ is MISSING (abject lie)
VZ refuses to have Elections
VZ's polls are very low
Biden never tried to get peace
MILLIONS have diedYou are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
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How did Biden try to get peace, besides offering Zelensky a ride out of town before the invasion?
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You might not agree with his methods. Or whatever.
But to say that the US did not try to achieve peace before now is simply not true.
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Yeah. I've seen you can't trust mefia snippets of his comments out of context.
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I don't listen to Trump. I just watch what he does.
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Why? A lot of what he says is not how things end up.
When the time comes for action, he generally does a decent job...at least so far. If his actions change, I reserve the right to change my judgement.
Right now, about the only thing I disagree with him on is Ukraine...assuming what he says is what he believes rather than words calculated to move the parties closer together in a peace negotiation.
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Level 9
It’s good to know that you’re against Russian appeasement. Too bad some of your cohorts don’t …
Feel the same.
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Thought you were asking why Trump hadn’t done it. Putie likely wants to take it one appeasement step
at a time.
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Does "Putie" still have the pee-pee tape? Assume you have secret knowledge about this.
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Per a GOP-led Senate Intel Committee report, Trump and Putin colluded to get DJT elected in 2016,
then there was the public subservience to Putin in Helsinki. Trump is Owned by the former KGB officer...he's been "groomed" for years for this moment...i.e. cause chaos domestically, while destroying long established alliances.
btw, when you were in the Service, you trained to fight against our adversaries...Putin is one of them...and now he has his claws into our President...why are you not concerned?
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I'm not concerned about anything you post because anything you post is inherently untrustworthy.
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Level 10
A majority of Americans disagree with you.
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Level 1
What amounts of aid was given to each in recent years?
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And oversight was blocked on the money. What we know….
BaronVonZemo 64220 postsPutin is a tryrant
Ukraine was a very corrupt country at least until the war
Zelensky is very unpopular among his own people right now (and there have been rumors of his people buying extravagant properties which might be feeding in to this)
US intel suggests Z’s approval rating by his own people is incredibly bad.Zelensky has shut down elections during the war and is 6 1/2 yrs in to his 5 yr term
US gave Ukraine 350 billion dollars and Zelensky cannot account for half of it
Zelensky wants to continue the war, and reached out to EU for funding when Trump began demanding peace
The war is unwinnable for Ukraine
Zelensky pandered to US cameras in his famous green camo shirt when attending formal events in Washington
Zelensky made a campaign statement for Biden
Putin has said he will discuss cease fire
US wants to negotiate peace but relations w Russia are in dumper and the air needs to be cleared for negotiations to occurZelensky being brave, Zelensky being corrupt, Putin being a tyrant are all not mutually exclusive possibilities.
So…..cutting through it all
So who is the one pushing for peace in an unwinnable war for our side?
That would be Trump.Who is the one who wants a free election?
Again, that would be Trump.Who is staying beyond his term and eschewing an election? (admittedly there is war and there would need to be authenticity).
That would be ZelenskyWho invaded?
That would be PutinWho facilitated the invasion?
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There are multiple issues here.
Should we, or should we not, support Ukraine in their fight against Russia. I think reasonable Americans can disagree on this. We have a right to do whatever we want with our tax dollars, and that is a perfect topic for legitimate political debate, and I think there are arguments on both sides.
Was Russia or Ukraine the aggressor nation? Obviously, Russia was the aggressor, as you state, and Ukraine is the victim of this war. Does Ukraine have a right to defend itself? Obviously it does.
Zelensky:
--Is he popular or not? I don't know. And I'm not sure it matters. His people are fighting for him, as witnessed by Russia's inability to defeat a nation that everyone thought they would beat in 72 hours.
--Did he pander for aid? Of course. He was fighting for his country, and tried to get everything he could. I would expect nothing less from him.
--Can we track our aid? Probably not. Is that surprising to me? No. They are fighting for their very existence. They are probably not spending a lot of time on bookkeeping, and responding to audit requests.Was Ukraine corrupt before the war? I guess so. It was on a list of corrupt countries...although, it could be argued that part of the reason for that was because of the Russian influence there (see, e.g., Viktor Yanukovych). Although, Ukraine did try to go after those who were making payments to the Biden family, but Biden withheld US aid to them in order to make sure his family was paid (and bragged about it on TV). We taught them it doesn't pay to be too focused on rooting out corruption. And, I think DOGE will show us all kinds of domestic corruption before they are done.
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Talking points directly from Mother Russia.
Zelensky is very popular although they don’t do “approval ratings” but trust ratings.
Just because you love Trump doesn’t mean you spout BS lies Comrade.
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End of conversation