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If Ukraine gives Trump its rare earth minerals does he has a revelation about a security guaranty?

Author: Curly1918 (16195 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:29 am on Feb 22, 2025
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And how does he sell this to Putin?

I am waiting breathlessly to hear how he revises his previous positions.


Link: https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/trump-says-he-expects-ukraine-to-sign-critical-minerals-deal-soon/ar-AA1zy0AK?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Replies to: If Ukraine gives Trump its rare earth minerals does he has a revelation about a security guaranty?


Thread Level: 2

Ukraine doesn't give Trump its rare earth minerals. Its a joint venture just like Exxon Mobil signed

Author: Eli (9482 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:28 am on Feb 22, 2025
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with Russia to explore oil in far east Russia with 30% stake of that venture years ago.

Thread Level: 3

Just a little more brain matter and you'd qualify as stupid.

Author: ND521 (9269 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:17 pm on Feb 22, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
Thread Level: 2

If US/US businesses have an economic interest, of course it bears revisiting

Author: LanceManion (7665 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:25 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 2

It’s amazing. He is shaking down Ukraine…and asking nothing of Putin

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:53 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Reminder: Putin could stop the war tomorrow.

Russia is still attacking, conquering about 150-200 square miles a month.

Blaming Ukraine is like blaming the rape victim…which of course Trump also does, so that makes sense.


Thread Level: 3

Ukraine has no leverage, no card in negotiation. Trump pointed out the obvious.

Author: Eli (9482 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 am on Feb 22, 2025
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You don't like to hear it. Truth hurts.

Thread Level: 4

Victims rarely have much leverage, you soulless ghoul

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:58 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Thread Level: 5

You need a soul searching, warmonger. You urged a 150lb kid fight a 250lb man for your own purpose

Author: Eli (9482 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:15 pm on Feb 22, 2025
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Of weakening Russia. Ukrainians will hate you when they review this piece of history after 100 years. Historians will tell everybody this war could have been truly avoided and even it started it could have been stopped in the spring 2022.

You're good at playing victim card. This is your specialty, I admit.


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Thread Level: 6

You cheered when a 250lb man started beating the shit out of a 150lb kid.

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:13 pm on Feb 22, 2025
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But those that helped out the 150lb kid are in the wrong. What a dumb, soulless, piece of shite arse

Author: Frank L (64094 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:49 pm on Feb 22, 2025
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STFU, you piece of human excrement. You have been defending and cheering on a mass murdering

Author: Frank L (64094 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:00 pm on Feb 22, 2025
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dictator. How many did you personally wipe out at the Square?

Thread Level: 5

Soulless ghouls favor abortion.

Author: Hensou (8017 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:36 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Thread Level: 5

As Frank aptly pointed out, this guy is not an ND fan…

Author: Domer From Hell (15865 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:19 am on Feb 22, 2025
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He’s nothing more than a Chico who spews nothing but Russian disinformation. He hates America, but the Trumpers welcome him with open arms. All true patriots would deetroy him on a daily basis.

We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 4

Exactly what leverage does Putin have?

Author: Curly1918 (16195 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:48 am on Feb 22, 2025
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We don’t need their oil and they make nothing that anyone in the world needs

Thread Level: 5

Orange leverage.

Author: Frank L (64094 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:53 am on Feb 22, 2025
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EU got a security guarantee on their contributions to Ukraine, while we got nothing. This proposal

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:41 am on Feb 22, 2025
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is an attempt to get something for the money the 350 Billion that we have already thrown into this war. There is the potential for reneging (high) as well as loss of land with further invasion, but it is more than the US has now.

I am not in favor of using mineral rights as a contingency to funding further war, and it is my understanding that this is not that. The war must end, and our involvement needs to end now.
I am in favor of offering mineral rights as a means for industry and tax base to crop up in Ukraine which would help them immensely from an economic standpoint in their recovery while also helping the US - that is my understanding of what this is.
The deal would have a further benefit of giving the US a vested interest in protecting Ukraine from further aggression from Russia. Putin would know that any future invasion would impact vital US mineral rights and thus be viewed as a hostile act toward the US as well. Thus, the deal has a deterrent benefit as well.


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Where are you getting 350 billion?…

Author: Domer From Hell (15865 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:28 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Most of the aid was sent in form of equipment, weapons, and munitions. The rest was sent for humanitarian needs. Here’s an article that breaks down what was sent…

Link: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 4

I got it from Trump who was counting all forms of aid.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:27 am on Feb 22, 2025
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As with all things like this, we may never know fully. Whatever side of the number you believe, or somewhere in between, it is a LOT of money.

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Oh, only $175 billion? It's a bargain!

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:33 am on Feb 22, 2025
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I asked you folks before what would be the dollar amount at which we would say, "No more." I don't recall ever getting a response from any of the Ukraine cheerleaders. Is there any limit? What about $1 trillion? $2 trillion? What amount?

Thread Level: 5

You’re uninformed, but that’s OK…

Author: Domer From Hell (15865 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:39 am on Feb 22, 2025
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You buy into the BA that’s fed to you by your master. Most of the funds are not hard dollars. Don’t worry, your teachers salary won’t be affected one iota, so you can continue to hide your head in the sand, Neville.

If it was up to me, I would continue to offer aid until Russia agrees to negotiate a legitimate peace deal. Trump could pressure Putin, but that undoubtedly won’t happen due to his idol worship of the guy.


We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 6

The "BA???"

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:09 am on Feb 22, 2025
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I don't care if only $1 of the aid is actual cash transfers. This is like arguing that offering your assets in lieu of cash isn't putting you into a hole.

Predictably, Zelenskyy caved on this. Quickly. Get used to it. The Corpse isn't in charge anymore.


Thread Level: 7

Meant “BS”…but you knew that…

Author: Domer From Hell (15865 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:16 am on Feb 22, 2025
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What’s wrong with Trump negotiating from a position of strength? Putin’s military resources are dwindling, the Russian military industrial complex can’t keep up with demand, the Russian economy is on the verge of collapse…I could go on.

You know why Trump is offering only appeasement, but you will not admit it.


We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 8

I can't believe you're still going with the "Putin's back is against the wall" tripe. Really kind of

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:28 am on Feb 22, 2025
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pathetic. Get the "Mission Accomplished" banners out of the Cheny's basement and dust them off!

Thread Level: 9

Putin is a savage piece of trash who couldn’t care less about his people or the people he’s…

Author: Domer From Hell (15865 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:46 pm on Feb 22, 2025
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victimized. Russia is sending severely wounded troops to the front lines. Never mind that Russia is relegated to using old Cold War equipment…

I’m not saying the Ukraine is going to win, but isn’t it up to them if they want to continue to fight for their own survival? Why is it that you’re such a head in the sand weakling? I pity cowards like you. No offense intended


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Thread Level: 3

How unseemly of us to expect repayment on the hundreds of billions! I love the green midget ingrate

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:28 am on Feb 22, 2025
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lying about this in public, claiming he shot down the idea. This clown is the spoiled child who has become accustomed to getting everything he wants and now, finally, he may not. Plus, the goofball can't hold an election because he will be voted out of office. Jackass.

Thread Level: 4

The libs love Z. He is an icon to them.

Author: Hensou (8017 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:37 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Thread Level: 5

Yep, he's right up there with Fauci, Che, Marx, and Margaret Sanger for them.

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:46 am on Feb 22, 2025
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They generally don't mention Lenin and Castro out loud.

Thread Level: 4

Repay what? Remember, they were all free weapons we sent. The Howitzer Fairy put in

Author: TampaIrish (11370 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:34 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Extra work to deliver those weapons.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 5

Wasn't it Chris floating this horse shit since the beginning of the war? Oh yea

Author: ColeyO (12442 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:34 am on Feb 22, 2025
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it was, on a daily basis

Thread Level: 5

This is just an extension of the leftist mindset that we see domestically.

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:44 am on Feb 22, 2025
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For example, the belief that the people on the public dole are being done dirty when the taxpayers want to place limits on their benefits.

Thread Level: 3

Is this what you’re bullshitting about?

Author: jimbasil (52343 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:55 am on Feb 22, 2025
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“In Brussels, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of the European Council Charles Michel and President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen signed the Joint Security Commitments between Ukraine and the EU.
For the first time, these agreements enshrine a multilateral, long-term commitment by all 27 EU member states to provide Ukraine with broad support in all key areas: military, financial, humanitarian and political assistance for ten years.
At the same time, the document sets out long-term commitments to support our country until it joins the EU, as well as the readiness of the European Union and its member states to support Ukraine on its path to membership.
It reaffirms the readiness of all member states to step up EU sanctions against Russia, to counter attempts of circumventing them, and to cooperate in countering hybrid and cyber threats and ensuring free navigation in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.
In particular, this includes the opening of the EU Defence Innovation Office in Kyiv and cooperation between our country and the European Union in the defense industry.
The Joint Security Commitments with the EU complement and strengthen the existing bilateral security agreements with member states. They also enshrine the commitment to support our country for those member states that have not yet joined the Joint Declaration of Support for Ukraine.
For the first time, a document signed by the EU with a third country provides for an appropriate consultation mechanism in case of possible future aggression (within 24 hours).
The Joint Security Commitments between Ukraine and the EU were concluded pursuant to the G7 Joint Declaration of July 12, 2023.


Link: Get your facts straight

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

You’ve swallowed the 8 lies

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:54 am on Feb 22, 2025
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Not $350 billion. Lie.

The euros didn’t get some weird deal for their aid. Lie.


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