Crickets from the Board’s First Amendment warriors …
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I don't like it unless he's been charged with a crime.
I don't know enough about the Columbia protest's details. Some of these "protests" were dreadful and involved trespassing, destruction of property, harassment of Jewish students. It was incredibly frustrating to see the Universities paralyzed by their political confusion and refusing to take action.
But without an arrest and criminal charges, I don't support deportation of permanent residents.
There's no allegation that he was breaking the law
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Link: https://x.com/lionel_trolling/status/1899512919995351199
I bet an aggressive prosecutor could bring some."Trumped" up charges...
RICO case, seditious conspiracy. With the right jury, a conviction would be guaranteed when they showed the protest/occupation antisemitic posters, chants and vitriol.
Doesn't mean he's guilty of anything but charges and a conviction could be had. Closing argument would be: "This person came into the country on a student visa, led a violent uprising in support of Hamas, a terrorist organization" and then they would show the video from October 7.
I'd like more details on what exactly this person said, did and what ties he may have to Hamas.
It's a complicated issue,learned some new details from this article.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/us/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-university-israel-hnk/index.html
Exactly. Did he do anything illegal? Does he have legitimate ties to Hamas.
Freezing the deportation is the right move.
Yep, due process is key.
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Walkin it back from yesterday, now that jakers agrees with us?
This green card holder enjoys the same free speech protections as the Charlottesville torch bearers chanting “Jews will not replace us!”
Green card holder =/= citizen.
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Seems he broke U.S. code, though
"It’s true that, under the Immigration and Nationality Act, any foreigner who 'endorses or espouses' terrorist activity is considered inadmissible to the United States." The fact it's "rarely enforced" is irrelevant, as we saw with the prosecutions of Donald Trump.
However, to be consistent, just as I opposed the Obama Administration spying on and investigating reporters, the Biden Administration for pressuring private businesses for the content of their speech - equal threats to the 1st Amendment which lefties generally didn't care about - I will also oppose this action.
worked with many green card recipients. the entire program needs to be reevaluated.
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i’m cool with free speech, he’s doing nothing to help future green card applicants. always good to
invite terrorists into one’s country.
I do not agree with what he has said, but I will defend to the death his right to say it
To paraphrase Voltaire.
Hard to have a ton of empathy for a person on a student visa that supports terrorists.
I can't read the article but I take it that's the gist.
Link: https://www.axios.com/2025/03/06/state-department-ai-revoke-foreign-student-visas-hamas
He’s a permanent resident. And free speech can still be deplorable.
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Link: https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/defending-speech-we-hate
I support deporting neo-nazis here on visas.
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The detained subject has a green card. Explain the legal basis for detaining him.
Has he been charged with a criminal offense?
Link: https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/after-we-grant-your-green-card/rights-and-responsibilities-of-a-green-card-holder-permanent-resident
Per the Axios article...
The Immigration Nationality Act of 1952 gives the secretary of state the authority to revoke visas from foreigners deemed to be a threat
Let see what the courts say.
Lesson: get your citizenship before calling for intifada.
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Exactly.
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Conflicts with 1A my man.
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If he were a citizen, of course.
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Not just limited to citizens.
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The event he led caused Columbia to tell its students it wasn't safe to come to classes.
Permanent residents have some protections, but not the same as citizens. But, let's see what the courts do. Granted, until SCOTUS rules, it may not be a firm outcome.
This has nothing to do with free speech.
He is wrong, but that has never stopped him before.
They have the same core free speech protections while in the nation.
Only real grey area is illegals.
If he were calling for killing blacks, you'd silence him. But, he's just calling for killing Jews.
You would love Nazi Germany.
I'm curious: Why would we want people who support Hamas in our country? Why would we not deport them? Can you offer a reason? Why would we give citizens rights to non-citizens?
However, your crowd would be decrying the lack of free speech if he were some right wing
creep supporting Elon’s German neo Nazi party.
I won't get upset at deporting non-citizen nazis. Would you?
They are guests. They can be asked to leave.
Upset no. Much controversial free speech comes from completely despicable people.
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You should read up about free speech.
Should we lock up Eli for his pro Putin views? Oh wait, he’s just parroting our President.
What about a green card barkeeper from West Belfast posting about his hatred of the Crown and support for the IRA?
It becomes a slippery slope detaining persons who support unpopular groups.
Criminal conduct is different. To my knowledge, this gentleman has not been charged with a crime.
Are you saying the same standard applies to green card holders as citizens?
Obviously, they are a step up from nonimmigrant visa holders and illegal aliens. And, obviously we treat them better than most nations treat visitors.
But, the question is whether they get that treatment as a matter of right, or whether we just choose to extend them certain privileges until such time as those privileges are abused.
This is not my practice area; I would hire a specialist if i had an issue here. But, I'm guessing it is not as black and white as you say. Green card holders can't vote, they can't sit on juries, their status is not perpetual, and i believe some states have additional requirements for firearms purchases (althiugh they generally can buy guns, which surprised me). They can lose their residency status simply by staying abroad too long, or due to other causes, unlike citizens. So, there are differences between citizens and green card holders. I will leave it to the experts to decide if terrorist supporters can have their residency status revoked, but I certainly don't get why anyone would be upset at deporting a terrorist organization supporter.
Yes. Same free speech protections as torch bearers in Charlottesville.
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He can’t have gone to law school.
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Real lawyers never disagree about the Constitution or the law? Is that your position?
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People here legally such as a green card holder have First Amendment rights.
The issue is those not here legally which is not the case here.
An "Appearance" of support?
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Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout….
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Whatabout Hitler?
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Your incessant links to NYT and WaPo are ridiculous and meaningless.
They are not the ultimate arbiters of Truth.
Just hysterical lib nonsense.
Should the U.S. imprison people for exercising constitutionally protected free speech?
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Not what happening here, we're deporting non-citizens deemed a threat
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Inaccurate, no surprise.
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