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Cutting down some rainforest for the climate summit.

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:19 am on Mar 12, 2025
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Wondering what the full carbon footprint will be for the COP30 summit.

Nobody is gullible enough to think "we" actually care about climate change, right?


Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-forest-felled-build-road-060236163.html

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The climate has been changing since the Earth was formed

Author: Girard (323 Posts - Joined: Apr 15, 2011)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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It's the SUN, baby. Man has so little to do with it. Ask the First Ice Age.
But govt. can funnel money to friends to make things "green"


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The intellectual vacuum of MAGAs is astounding...even Exxon knew decades ago that CC is being

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:15 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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caused by the burning of Fossil Fuels.

Link: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/12/1148376084/exxon-climate-predictions-were-accurate-decades-ago-still-it-sowed-doubt#:~:text=New%20Music%20Friday-,Exxon%20scientists%20accurately%20predicted%20global%20warming%20from%20burning%20fossil%20fuels,continued%20c

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If Exxon cut down rain forest to build a road to an oil well, I think you'd have a problem with that

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:20 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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But if we're having a summit on climate change, from which no solutions will happen, you're good with it.

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Best summarized with Voltaire's aphorism..."Perfect is the Enemy of Good"

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:48 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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"Perfect is the enemy of good is an aphorism that means insistence on perfection often prevents implementation of good improvements. Achieving absolute perfection may be impossible; one should not let the struggle for perfection stand in the way of appreciating or executing on something that is imperfect but still of value."

As we proceed through this Transition, we'll still be flying Fossil Fuel Burning Jet Planes, and cutting down trees for houses and roads, as we bring on Heat and Power Sources like Nuclear and Renewables...that will also in turn power the creation of Hydrogen products that don't produce CO2...take some time to look toward the future your kids and grandkids will be living in.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good

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I am asking where the good is, what's the progress towards the goal.

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:52 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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You're arguing that we can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs, I'm asking where's the omelet.

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Hard to say, what with all the roadblocks being created by CC deniers...

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:17 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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COP was started 30 years ago, what is our progress towards reduced emissions?

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:45 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Send an email to COP and ask them …I don’t keep the records, Cheeks.

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:57 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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If they are going to destroy rainforest, it should be for a good purpose, no?

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:12 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Dude, that's an 8 mile long highway strip...a sq. mile of forest absorbs ~4K tons of CO2/yr...check

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:44 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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the link for how much CO2 a Fossil Fuel Plant puts into the atmosphere...

Not sure you could pass a kindergarten quiz on which thing is bigger than another ;-)

And people wonder why we have Trump in office...


Link: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=74&t=11

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They could have chosen anywhere in the world to have the conference.

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:40 am on Mar 13, 2025
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Or, they could have chosen to have it virtually which would have saved on emissions.

Link to all of the private jets for COP29.


Link: https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/11/15/did-people-have-to-fly-to-cop29-private-jet-use-soared-but-one-group-got-to-baku-overland

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Once again...Exxon's own internal memos acknowledge the reality of Climate Change...

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:37 am on Mar 13, 2025
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unfortunately, they can't let go of their "Cash Cows"...i.e. Oil & Gas...so the keep on marching toward the awaiting cliff....

Just as real is the 'Finiteness' of FF availability...per BP's estimate, there are ~47 yrs of Proven Oil Reserves remaining at current consumption rates. Even if you can't understand and comprehend Climate Change, the urgency of transitioning to Nuclear and Renewables only intensifies with every passing year...Get on board with the Transition..if only for your kids and grandkids.

Whichever Reality motivates you, there's only one path...the one that doesn't use FFs for Heat and Power.


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Exxon didn't cut down this strip of rainforest, climate nuts did.

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:02 pm on Mar 13, 2025
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Which combined with all the emissions that are going to happen to have this conference, shows that it's all a corrupt boondoggle. I am not saying that climate change isn't real or that we shouldn't do anything about it, I am saying that these folks aren't going to fix it.

You can't answer the question: what is the progress towards the goal? Or more likely you know the answer, but you support this anyway.


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Glad you accept Climate Change and the need to shift from FFs to Nuclear and appropriate use of

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:16 pm on Mar 13, 2025
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Renewables for Heat and Power...

This is an incredibly complex transition that involves every nation on the planet...that's why people need to come together and keep working on ways to make the needed changes without crashing economies...better than no one talking to others.

Do yourself and everyone in the U.S. a favor by voicing your support for measures to speed our own transition with your Representative and Senators...in concert with other nations, since we import and export Oil and Gas. I'm hoping we can utilize Operations Research, AI, Quantum Computing, and inputs from all involved parties to help Optimize the work to be done....something like a "Manhattan Project" for this much needed transition.

btw, "Drill, Baby, Drill" isn't the answer...and you flatter me by thinking I would have any idea as to how close the world is to achieving the goal of zero man-made CO2 additions to our atmosphere ;-)


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Humans are terrible at mitigation but great at innovation.

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Mar 13, 2025
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Humans that go to climate conferences are terrible at mitigation and innovation but good at monetizing a crisis. Maybe you'll see Stacy Abrams there.

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The energy from new GEN-4 Nuclear Reactors will mitigate the harm caused by

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:03 am on Mar 14, 2025
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current FF Power Plants and their enormous CO2 emissions.

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You're right, the sun has suddenly kicked in. That's just science.

Author: Chris94 (36443 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:20 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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You display a lot of ignorance with this post.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:44 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Do you really think the climate hasn't changed?

Why has the Earth been warming recently?...and by "recently," I mean the last 18,000 years, since well before man started doing anything...before there were 10 million humans on earth...some estimate far fewer, possibly 1 million or less.

The oceans have been rising all that time. England & Ireland were "recently" part of mainland Europe, and Alaska was a part of Asia (the "land bridge" was a thousand miles wide. Again, all of that before an industry by man.

This is well settled historical science.

The sun didn't suddenly start up, but the tilt and changing orbit might have been a factor in how the sun's energy affected Earth. Ice cores show that the earth's climate has never been in a steady state.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The "Ignorance" is all yours, Ned...not having a tech degree is no excuse...read on...

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:35 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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...Ice Ages and Thaws took place within the CO2 atmospheric concentrations of 180 - 300 ppm...within the last ~150 yrs we're now over 425 ppm...and rising rapidly...plus, it takes generations for the CO2 to come out of the atmosphere acidifying oceans...etc, etc.

Link: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

https://www.climate.gov/media/15993

Thread Level: 6

So you admit what I said was correct.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:46 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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So you have reading comprehension issues as well as CC ignorance...who knew?

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:01 am on Mar 13, 2025
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Feel free to point out any error with specificity.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:36 pm on Mar 13, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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With your earlier post (5:44pm, 3/13/25) you seem to be referring to "Milankovitch Cycles" as the

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:31 am on Mar 14, 2025
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cause for Global Warming/Climate Change. Unfortunately, that phenomenon can't account for the very recent change in atmospheric CO2 content (see my previous response to you) combined with increased global tropospheric temperatures (see Dr. Roy Spencer's global satellite temperature data).

for 800,000 years...through many Milankovitch Cycles and Ice Ages, we've never had CO2 concentration levels above 300 ppm...now, in the relatively infinitesimally short time period of 150 yrs, we're at 425 ppm...and rising sharply. This has produced "Green House Warming" which no physicist denies.

Now let's see your response...with 'Specificity'...or not.

Once again, even Exxon's disclosed internal documentation admits that global warming is being caused by the burning of Fossil Fuels for Heat and Power. This rapid a change in human living and food producing conditions, if left unchecked this would be devastating for our children, grandchildren and all those to follow...they won't be able to adjust in time. It is our duty to keep that from happening, even though harm is being and will be done.

Given that having sufficient and reliable energy is the basis for modern living, we can't walk away from this challenge...as difficult as it is...don't be a quitter, Ned.

Oh, and one more thing...those Fossil Fuel resources are not "Infinite"...BP projects there are only ~47 years of Global Proven Oil Reserves remaining at current consumption rates...just saying, in case you need mor 'justification' for taking ACTION to shift away from FFs for Heat and Power. (and saving them for ALL the myriad uses we depend on).


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

https://www.climate.gov/media/15993

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No, you’re right. The sun kicked in. In unprecedented ways. Just a coincidence about the CO2.

Author: Chris94 (36443 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:34 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Feel free to deny the science on obit and orbital tilt. No one said the sun kicked in but you.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:45 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Cracker Jack box science. Well done neddie.

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:17 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Are pregnant men caused by climate change?

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:47 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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only in Iowa.

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:09 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Noice.

Author: Frank L (64017 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:20 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Dummy cites bullshit to deny science. Checkers, stop trying to play chess.

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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I think you may need therapy.

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:03 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Now that article is a prime example of Anti-CC hysteria...get out your Google Maps and see if you

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:42 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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can find the roadway when looking at all of Brazil. The world is in a Transition from Fossil Fuels for Heat and Power, to Nuclear Power and Renewable Energy Sources. You haven't even accepted Climate Change and you worry about an 8 mile roadway in the forest...basically, you have no sense of proportion...or understanding of physics.

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What is the progress towards the goal?

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:32 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Do you understand the reality of Climate Change yet?

Author: TyroneIrish (19696 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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What is the progress towards the goal?

Author: iairishcheeks (26727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:23 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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Thread Level: 2

Need a runway for all the private jets

Author: irish93 (1738 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2009)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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