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The one Venezuelans voted for.

Maybe Dems are upset that Trump is restoring democracy at home and abroad, and is one of the few politicians bold enough to not only recognize stolen elections, but to point them out and do something about it.

This is being led by Rubio, who thinks it is a step toward the real goal, Havana.

Just like he thought the war in Iraq in 2003 was a step toward the real goal, Tehran.

Because that is really the only hope for victory for Ukraine.

And the options to replace Putin at this point after all of his culling of subordinates are likely to be the same or worse.

Because there was never any goal of regime change in Russia.

Please don't fill the board with utter fucking nonsense.

When those of us questioned the rationale for unending US funding of a war with no hope of success (we wanted to push an unwilling Zelensky into trying for a compromise deal at the time),

those who wanted to continue funding Ukraine without limits or oversight argued that hardship pressure within Russia had a good chance of causing regime change in Russia even if victory was otherwise not possible. It was a claim voiced here and in the MSM.

It was absurd. But it seems it is only viewed as absurd by some when going in one direction.

When it comes to Russia. I do believe that helping Ukraine is worthwhile, though.

for a Regime Change in Russia, with us actually Starting a War with Venezuela to Effect a Regime Change....he can't stop Making Stuff Up...he's like a Walking, Talking "Babylon Bee".

There was NEVER a strategy to aid Ukraine with the goal of Dislodging Putin...just Pure Nonsense from BVZ.

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Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=60877

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The tantalizing idea of regime change is used as further enticement to keep funding the hopeless war. (In the last sentence of this linked post by the person challenging my point since I have found that I need to be very specific)

I only did a very superficial search and stopped at just the first examples.

I am not wrong. I am not lying. I have a good memory. But I have little taste for pushing on - the level of dialogue here has become sad. Again the read the whole thread as well.


Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=149179

However the only way to do that in Russia would be to either invade or the people would need to rise up. Neither is likely, so the point is moot.

Not sure what this has to do with Venezuela, but whatever.

Did I call for regime change in Russia? Don’t be an idiot. That would be WW3.

Did I - and every thinking person - hope that the Russian people might get rid of Putin? Of course.

That was you and the MSM and others. It was ONE of your reasons you used to try to justify continuing to subsidize this unwinnable war. I did not say that it was your main reason, but as you can see from your own words, you offered it as a viable benefit reason for pushing on when you were trying to justify it and bring others to your position.
Please note that you subtly changed the paradigm in your response here claiming that "I never called for regime change". I never said that you did. What you did was offer it as one of your justifications for funding the Uk war as you can see in your post.

I am quite sincere, I am far from stupid, and I am not stooping to petty insults.

You cannot change history by merely denying it and stating otherwise.

Not sure if you had picked that up.

No one here suggested that was a good idea for Russia.

But, like always, you need to whatabout and change the subject. Which was the potential regime-change operation in Venezuela.

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It really is like you have been posting daily but we know you took a little time away to regroup.
Maybe that didn't work out all that well. Try again.

Trump has it in his diseased mind that Maduro has to go.

So he is going to make up stuff that his brain-dead followers will go along with. Drugs! Sure, Venezuela is not a major drug supplier to the US. So what! MAGA won’t care.

We’re going to war, as soon as tonight.

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Everyone rational, including former you, has thought for some time that Maduro needs to go. What changed your opinion? Trump wants it!

Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=525704

I was opposed to that war and I am opposed to this one.

All sorts of Bush defenders said that Clinton wanted Saddam gone too - so it was partially his fault! Which was nonsense then, just as this Biden-did-it-too bullshit is nonsense now.

But, if we're targeting drug trafficking, Mexico is the place to start along with political pressure on China.

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drive through drug (e.g. Fentanyl) scanners at all our border checkpoints...some are still sitting in warehouses, while production of additional machines has been halted. It's the CBP's #1 choice for interdicting drug trafficking.

Note that Trump recently pardoned a convicted drug trafficker responsible for over 400 tons of drugs crossing our border. How does one Square That Circle? Answer: You can't...

The Venezuela campaign is all about Oil.

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Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/archive/2025/09/fentanyl-trump-venezuela-caribbean-boats/684373/

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Are bunched about it. I don’t like it, the same as I hated sending “free weapons” to a corrupt leader. But listening to you guys cry about this while cheering on other wars is comical. Maybe, just maybe, you can sit one of these out because you wind up looking foolish.