…that were much weaker than the real components of the deal, in order to manipulate press coverage when it was released.

The same thing might be happening here. The MOU leaked to the press now would constitute a total surrender…hard to believe it is the real deal in the works. The VP all but confirmed the $300 billion investment fund. And $100 billion in unfrozen assets…for nothing on the nuclear, missile or proxy issues.

Still - the leaked MOU would be better than having the strait closed through the summer. The vital national interest here is economic.

But wow…what a disastrous war.

With saying that, I believe there will be a fund, in some form, but definitely NOT from US, .i.e. US taxpayers. You can trust Trump for this. He won’t let US taxpayers pay a penny. Most likely the fund is from GCC. Also, the strait will be toll free, but Iran(with Oman) may charge some kind of fee. That’s what I believe.

is observed.

It will a very unique agreement if so.

Do you expect Iran to, all of the sudden, not be a state sponsor of terror?

No, I expect them to fear a sword hanging over their head. Nothing else will work with them and you know it as well as I do.
Thus, they have to respect the threat. They have to know that the POTUS will have the will to do bring down the hammer rather than just give them goodies and trust them that they aren't breaking the rules by having an international organization with no real power oversee them. Further, when surveillance shows noncompliance (such as happened under JCPOA), then that leader must act.

It is one of the reasons that I have voted Republican in presidential elections. It is why you should too. Otherwise, we will have a party change and not only have someone that they do not fear, but someone that they will be able to con into getting reparations.

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it’s that this solidifies your lack of credibility in stone.

Yes, you’re not naive, you’re just ….!

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I predicted the Dem MSM would do this.

At some point, you have to be able to see the pattern for yourself.


Link: https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/iran-war-news-trump-deal-strait-hormuz-oil-prices-june-17

Maybe it is an attempt to manage expectations. But Vance seemed to confirm it.

The media did not make it up. That much I can assure you.

We can probably agree that it would be an eye-popping capitulation, if true.

EDIT: note that Trump said we “would not be investing 10 cents.” That’s not the proposed fund. No US funds would be involved.

your own sides lies on Trump and his Adm.

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I would condemn it either way because I don't put party over country.

I expect that Tyrone will continue defending it when Obama does it, but attack it when Trump does it, because he puts party over country. Let's see if he comments.

"Doocy asked Trump if he was asking Gulf countries to invest in any such fund. The president replied, "No, I'm not."
"If they do it, fine. But I would say they won't be doing it for a while until they find out the behavior. It's a behavior thing, but we are not investing. That's a false story that got picked up incorrectly," Trump said."

Let me translate for you:
The US won't be putting anything at all financially into Iran. Arab allies are not being asked to do so either. It is in the interest of Arab allies to have a stable, well-behaved iran, and so they could decide on their own to invest in Iran, but they certainly would not be doing so until they see reassurances of good behavior down the road - but again, that is up to them. The Us does not get in the way of other allied countries decisions.

And since you certainly can’t trust what Iran says, we have to wait.

But, like I said, Vance essentially confirmed it.

We shall see. Maybe on Friday. Maybe not.

And as we know, the IAEA was never able to certify that Iran was in compliance because they were yanking their chain as well.

The reason that it looks to you like Trump was making stuff up in previous deals is because the Iranians kept lying and reneging. They are trying to buy time because they know that their unofficial allies, the Democrat Party, is working to undermine all Trump efforts from within his own country.

These are the people to whom you released pallets of cash, and then blithely went along as the IAEA continued to be unable to verify all expectations.

Also he just confirmed we will be unfreezing Iranian assets. So add another $100 billion.

So you were wrong.

Also, I said you can’t trust what Iran says. But you can monitor what Iran does.

As usual, there is really no point in trying to discuss things with you.

obligated to pay for. The MOU says that assuming good behavior, the money would come from foreign sources (neighboring Arab nations strongly implied) as well as private developers (energy companies stronly implied). Not US tax payers.

This is different from Trump's direct answer to Doocy's answer that I posted above. Perhaps Trump sees it differently because he was trying to defeat the MSM narrative that the bill was going to be put on the US taxpayers.....but that wasn't the question that he answered. I do consider this a lie from Trump.
I was not wrong, however.

I trusted Trump, you trusted Iran (JCPOA). I feel better about my position than yours.

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