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So we went to war to get a like deal the P5+1 negotiated with a payoff to Iran?

Author: Quest4twelve  (7625 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)
Posted at 6:16 pm on Jun 17, 2026
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Trump ripped up the deal instantly without trying to renegotiate new points like ballistic missiles, etc. Instead bombed Iran, threw the world economy into a flux only to get to the same place (maybe even weaker). Help me understand this...

Replies to: “So we went to war to get a like deal the P5+1 negotiated with a payoff to Iran?”


Thread Level: 2

What deal? Negotiation on nuclear program has not started yet. How did you read news everyday? Geez

Author: Eli  (9649 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 7:32 pm on Jun 17, 2026
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Yes. A MUCH bigger payoff. And a more radical regime. And no IAEA inspectors in Iran.

Author: Chris94  (38886 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 7:17 pm on Jun 17, 2026
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If no inspectors are allowed into Iran, then we’ll just have to take their word for it.

The JCPOA tripled inspectors in Iran, and put cameras in lots of places - like their uranium mines - for 25 years. It was excellent in verification.

This deal is the least-worst option right now, so it’s the right thing to do.

But it is awful. And we have no choice - the mullahs have us (and the world economy) by the balls.


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And the people of Iran continue to suffer, so disappointing, so stupid.

Author: iairishcheeks  (29807 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 7:33 pm on Jun 17, 2026
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Our guys won the military campaign so now Dems are hoping we lose the negotiation war.

Author: ELP  (11573 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)
Posted at 11:19 pm on Jun 17, 2026
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Military campaigns have definitive objectives. This one didn’t. It accomplished nothing.

Author: conorlarkin  (22744 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 12:33 am on Jun 18, 2026
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It was a reckless and unlawful waste of taxpayer dollars and resources.

We are worse off than we were before February 28th when war started. Our reputation and standing are significantly diminished.

Iran has won the strategic war. Trump lost. America lost.

Fact.


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You have all the mullahs talking points down pat.

Author: ELP  (11573 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)
Posted at 12:42 am on Jun 18, 2026
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Educate yourself. Clausewitz is a good start.

Author: conorlarkin  (22744 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:37 am on Jun 18, 2026
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Link: https://sobrief.com/books/on-war

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