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Armchair quarterbacks..

Author: IrishMac (95 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:19 pm on Jan 11, 2017

What could Trump possibly do to get applause from all of you naysayers? Can he do anything to earn the benefit of doubt from you? Or, will you forever be a party hag and not give credit for anything?

As Cole posted earlier referencing Bernie, he beat the democratic machine, the republican establishment, and the media... at a minimum, that speaks volumes about his ability to connect with people. And don't give me the line that there are just 50 million bigoted idiots in the country.


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He can resign

Author: Rocket91 (3146 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:48 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Really? Be careful what you wish for

Author: Eli (1897 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Trump's top best decisions in winning his presidential election:
1. Began to pursue this political ambition as a R, not a D, a few years ago.
2. Chose Mike Pence as his VP


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Do just like he did today. Hold stick+carrot. Punish fake news journalism. Don't give them a chance

Author: Eli (1897 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:25 pm on Jan 11, 2017

to ask questions, don't give them press pass to white house. Reward good journalism. This is my answer for Trump to your question. There is no other choices due to today's political atmosphere and media's hostility. The Buzzfeed editor in chief Ben Smith already said it clear: Publishing this dossier reflects how we see the job of reporters in 2017. They're hostile to you, they already are determined to do fake news business on you, what else you can do? Just punish them within your power.

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He admit Russia hacked the D's. He reward good journalism there.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:12 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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What's your problem Frank, he wasn't shown the evidence until this past week….

Author: BaronVonZemo (12523 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:30 pm on Jan 11, 2017

….before that he only had the word of Clapper and Comey and Obama and the other Obama stoogies. Oh, and he had the word of the same intel community that just released fake news about him and has been leaking info the MSM in partisan fashion of a while now.

He wanted real evidence. They showed it to him. he accepted it and said so. i now accept it because Trump believes it - he would never say so if it weren't true.

Most people get this.


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save your breath--Frank ain't too bright and he hates DT

Author: Hank the Tank (5002 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:49 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Another sterling example of your level of contribution to this board.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:26 am on Jan 12, 2017

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Then why was he disparaging the IC before that then? Jerkoff.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:34 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Because they have a rep for this. Ask Schumer. Undoubtedly, Obama's advisors -

Author: BaronVonZemo (12523 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:56 pm on Jan 11, 2017

have warned him. The continuous leaks from "unnamed intelligence sources" that almost every MSM news outlet have been using over the past year should tell you that the IC has a problem. Trump also has been very pissed off about there screw up on the WMD intel - even after all of these years. It is hard to explain how they could get that one so wrong. It cost W a lot when any president would have believed it.

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All the more reason why you keep your mouth shut one way or another until you are briefed.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:19 am on Jan 12, 2017

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Listen, you sneaky weasel. He said "Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people..."

Author: Eli (1897 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:33 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Don't put your words on his mouth. Did Russia try to hack? Yes. Is Russia the only one trying to hack? No. Did they try to hack 2016 election? Yes; Did they all only try to hack election 2016? NO, they all tried to do it on election 2012 too.

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Easy there Beria. He admitted it. You can qualify it all you want, but he finally fessed up.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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But tomorrow, he'll deny it.

Author: bbkingfish (832 Posts - Joined: Aug 15, 2014)

Posted at 6:50 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Of course he'll deny it. It's Russophobia Freak L's words, not his words. Fake news.

Author: Eli (1897 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:11 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Well yeah there is that.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:56 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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You talk English, good...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Jan 11, 2017

He admit Russia hacked the D's. He reward good journalism there.

He admit Russia hacked the D's. He reward good journalism there.
Author: Frank L (17512 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)
Posted at 6:12 pm on Jan 11, 2017

(Just bustin' yer balls, my man...nuttin' personal)


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I'm just bustin Eli actually.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:31 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Ja wohl!

Author: Chris94 (14613 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:30 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Narwhal!

Author: TakethetrainKnute (10947 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:05 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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The Unicorn of the sea...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:14 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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OY!

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 5:31 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Yep. Chuck Todd at NBC is wetting his pants, right about now....

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 5:30 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Is there a bigger weasel in broadcasting?

Gotta' love his cum catcher, tho'.

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Bet he got the shit kicked out of him regularly in grade school.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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I know I would have...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:25 pm on Jan 11, 2017

...but I'm a changed man.

These days I let my attorneys get pissed.


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Hah!

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:56 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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I think NYT's restraint this time has something to do with Trump's "Fxxx You" visit to them on Nov

Author: Eli (1897 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:38 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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The MSM, WaPo and the NYT are in for a rude awakening. Fuck with Trump as a businessman, he will...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 5:48 pm on Jan 11, 2017

...marshal his forces to demean and defeat you.

Fuck with him as Prez and he will decimate you.

Some folks will learn the true meaning of "Duck and Cover".

Oh....and PBS funding by taxpayers...good luck with that.


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Why did he need two flunkies to help him get through his p/c today?

Author: bbkingfish (832 Posts - Joined: Aug 15, 2014)

Posted at 6:05 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Yeah. He's a real tough guy. I'm sure the NYT is shaking in their boots.

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He's a businessman and recognizes that the NYT is bleeding red ink...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:11 pm on Jan 11, 2017

The 5th Estate is about to take over.

Get used to it.


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Why did he need two flunkies to help him get through his p/c today?

Author: bbkingfish (832 Posts - Joined: Aug 15, 2014)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Even Bush didn't need anyone to hold his hand while he faced the music.

He's supposed to be leader of the free world. Putin won't always be around to help him, you know?

He better learn how to stand on his own two feet pretty quick.


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Sure - be a totally different person - One with compassion, vision, intelligence, curiosity ....

Author: jimbasil (27997 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:20 pm on Jan 11, 2017

in other words, be someone he is the opposite of.

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Honest question - did Hillary meet those qualifications in your opinion?

Author: IrishMac (95 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:16 am on Jan 12, 2017

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So who doesn't give him credit for winning the election? I certainly do..

Author: bbkingfish (832 Posts - Joined: Aug 15, 2014)

Posted at 5:06 pm on Jan 11, 2017

It was a great achievement. Even if he does owe it to Putin.

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Nice.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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To "earn" the "benefit of the doubt?" Nothing. But, I'm willing to give credit where it is due.

Author: Napoleon (991 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Jan 11, 2017

I give few people, let alone elected officials, the benefit of the doubt. But, as with Obama whom I also dislike, I'm willing to look at efforts and accomplishments on a case-by-case basis and give credit (or criticism) accordingly.

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delete

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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of course--there is nothing he can do--they will always hate him because he don't fit their ideology

Author: Hank the Tank (5002 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:08 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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He could start acting presidential..

Author: Chris94 (14613 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:01 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Or maybe give the impression - even if he doesn't really believe it - that he understands the importance for dignity and decorum in the most powerful office in the world. Stop the round-the-clock clown show.

That would be a nice start.


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You never suggested that Soetoro act Presidential. Of course, that would have taken some

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:26 pm on Jan 11, 2017

real acting above his pay grade.

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You misspelled Gay Pride.

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Yeah...to be presidential in your book he'd have to whitewash his skin.

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:29 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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He's a mulatto, not black. What's yer excuse for Hitlery calling young blacks..

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

....predators?

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Is Hitlery the Pres Elect?

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:44 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Not sure what this thread has to do with her since she lost and is no longer relevant.

But if you must know, I've been very critical of her for that exact issue, which is one of many reasons I voted against her in both primaries she ran.

I expect the binary logic (anti Trump must mean pro Hillary) from LT. Thought you were smarter.


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Hey doofus. You brought up the "whitewash" baloney, from left field...remember?

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 5:51 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Actually it was a reply to LT who brought Obama into the thread

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:56 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Try to keep up.

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And you brought racism into it.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:57 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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You're the one that calls him Soetero, not me.

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:58 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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That is not racist. It is his last known legal name. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:04 pm on Jan 11, 2017

took his name. There is no record that it was ever legally changed to Obama. What does that have to do with race?

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Where you been LT?

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:32 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Lurking. A lot of family stuff and MD visits. I have a full shoulder replacement coming up. It

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Jan 11, 2017

is my right shoulder and I am right handed. Posting with my right arm immobile for 6 weeks will be challenging.

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Sorry to hear that LT. I had major shoulder surgery about 12 years ago...

Author: IrishMac (95 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 am on Jan 12, 2017

It is essentially a new shoulder now and have had no problems after about 3 months of pretty intense rehab. Just a warning... rehab sucks in a major way, at least it did for me... I had to take some pretty heavy doses of Vicodin before every session just to handle the stretching to get my range of motion back. I would definitely do it again though because I am finally pain free... it had gotten to where I could do no physical activity with my arm without it being immobile for multiple days after the activity. Good luck, will be praying for you.

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Thanks Mac.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:41 am on Jan 12, 2017

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Damn Sam...sorry to hear that. Physical therapy works wonders...especially in the pool...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:13 pm on Jan 11, 2017

All the best, my friend.

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Speedy recovery, bro. All the best!!

Author: Domer From Hell (9727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:57 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Thanks Domer.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:28 am on Jan 12, 2017

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Sorry to hear that, LT. Hope you get better quickly....

Author: Chris94 (14613 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:53 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Thanks Chris.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:08 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Sorry to hear. How much rehab?

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:43 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Basically grounded for 6 weeks except to see the surgeon. 12 weeks before any strength building

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:51 pm on Jan 11, 2017

rehab. Up until then it will be restricted to range of motion PT. 6-8 months to get close to normal. One year total healing.

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LT - good luck and speedy recovery

Author: irishscooter (3380 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 7:32 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Thanks Scooter.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:46 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Prayers your way bro that it all goes well.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:57 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Thank you, sir.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:59 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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No valid answer, so you have to play the race card. It is the only one you have. It is old,

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

worn out and never worked. Seriously, that's the best you can do? Why not address the issue, in lieu of making racist comments?

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You realize that being a birther is racist, right?

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:47 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Why is it that no white president has ever had his nationality questioned?

I don't remember you calling for Trump's (or Romney's) birth certificates. I wonder why.


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LT isn't a racist. A little passionate on this issue but he was consistent with Rubio and Cruz.

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:33 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Yep..he was consistently opposed to both blacks and Hispanics

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Jan 11, 2017

I guess being hispanic is technically an ethnicity...not a race. I think you give LT too much credit. I know a few birthers. Every one I know personally is also racist.

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I was consistently opposed to both blacks and Hispanics? When did this happen. Why was

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:48 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Ben Carson my preferred candidate among the Rs?

If you are referring to Cruz and Rubio. I like those guys. I see a legal issue with regards to their eligibility to be POTUS and it has nothing to do with ethnicity.

I will say that I do not like Rubio's open border and amnesty policy.

You are groping at straws and coming up short.


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"Everyone I know personally is also racist." WOW! Paranoia runs deep...

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:45 pm on Jan 11, 2017



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Clearly my post means every birther, not every person

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 6:51 pm on Jan 11, 2017

I hope you are joking.

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There is no connection between birtherism and race. If so, how do you account for the

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:55 pm on Jan 11, 2017

fact that birthers agree that McCain is also not eligible. Same goes for Chester Arthur who is given as an example. It is a legal issue, and race is not relevant. That is poor excuse to make up for ignoring the law of the land. You have to attack those of us that say the law needs to be followed without regard to race. Very sad.

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Nah, I would vouch for LT and I only know him through the board. He's an egalitarian as Spector said

Author: Frank L (17917 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:44 pm on Jan 11, 2017

about Sessions.

He is also a member of the high order of Vikings.


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That's fine. I'll drop it. My apologies, LT

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 6:54 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Solid.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:00 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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No it's not. It is a legal issue. You are also showing your ignorance of the matter. Several

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:02 pm on Jan 11, 2017

have been questioned in the past, all of them Caucasian. Was that racist. Chester Arthur, Ike, Goldwater, George Romney, McCain. Not all became POTUS, but their status was questioned during the campaigns and lawsuits were filed. Study up.

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He's a dumbass, LT. Ignore him.

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:18 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Yep...I don't accept birtherism. Like all dumbasses.

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 6:38 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Apparently you missed his point re: Chester Arthur, Ike, Goldwater et al...dumbass.

Author: fredyo (9794 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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That's b/c his point is stupid

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 6:49 pm on Jan 11, 2017

As are all points related to birther-ism being a valid, non-racist belief.

Take Goldwater for example...nobody ever doubted that he was born in Arizona. The only controversy is AZ was a territory, not a state at the time of his birth. Much different than claiming he was born in Africa (or Europe since he's white).


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Explain McCain.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:58 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Nobody claims McCain was born in non-US territory

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 7:03 pm on Jan 11, 2017

You'd think that if it wasn't racist, people would assume anyone with the last name McCain might have been born in Ireland.

That said. See above. I'm done debating the topic. I apologize if I offended you.


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His BC says that he was born in Colon Panama, outside of the Canal Zone. He was sued on this

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:16 pm on Jan 11, 2017

basis. He avoided the issue via article 3 standing, the same way Soetoro has avoided having to prove his background.

I never said that Soetoro was born in Africa. I have no idea where he was born. To this day he still refuses to make public any documents proving anything regarding his past.

Arthur is another that got away with it.

I agree, let's just agree to disagree.

Godspeed,
LT


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In all seriousness, if you don't think Obama acted with consistent dignity and decorum....

Author: Chris94 (14613 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:29 pm on Jan 11, 2017

...then either you don't understand what those words mean or you are a partisan dolt.

For lots of his critics, subconscious forces prevented Obama from ever seeming presidential. Far be it for me to suggest what those forces might have been.


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Like bowing down to foreign leaders, returning gifts to our allies,

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:40 pm on Jan 11, 2017

interrupting the British National Anthem in the presence of the queen, etc., etc. Since when does the POTUS bow to foreign leaders and go around the world apologizing for our actions?

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won't be enough because you hate him. one reason, he beat your candidate

Author: Hank the Tank (5002 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:09 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Hey, good job, Hank! You're doing great. We're all proud of you.

Author: Chris94 (14613 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Here is Bernie's quote:

Author: Cole (1890 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 3:38 pm on Jan 11, 2017

“Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

“So I give Donald Trump his due,” he said.


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because he knows how difficult it is to beat the establishment and

Author: Hank the Tank (5002 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:11 pm on Jan 11, 2017

when they are all against you--the party that is--much more difficult.

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Bernie didn't mention the Russians carrying Donnie down the home stretch

Author: irishscooter (3380 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Jan 11, 2017

or the DNC conniving to defeat him. Other than that how was the play Ms. Lincoln

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Comrade Sanders probably doesn't want to dwell on Russians too much...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (10947 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:15 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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nor did he mention the truthful emails

Author: Hank the Tank (5002 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Trumpo brings everything upon himself

Author: irishscooter (3380 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 3:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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The proper term for your "armchair quarterbacks" is "voters and citizens for whom he works"

Author: CC72 (9354 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 3:31 pm on Jan 11, 2017

He is not off to a great start. If and when he does something good, I will give him full credit.

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Why does he deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 3:29 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Did he give Obama the benefit of the doubt or immediately start trying to cast a shadow on his legitimacy by being the nation's most prominent birther?

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He had the courage to bring up what others would not do. That is a positve. HRC raised the issue

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Jan 11, 2017

in 2008.

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Only with you is his previous birtherism a considered a positiive trait

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Only with those who looked into the issue and understand it. Obviously, that leaves you out.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:26 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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...and sane people everywhere.

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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You mispelled uniformed people everywhere. There is no evidence of any kind made public

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:46 pm on Jan 11, 2017

that indicates his citizenship, place of birth, heritage, or who his parents are or were.

In addition, regardless of his citizenship, he is not eligible for a job anywhere in the executive branch of the government. He failed to register for the draft. That is federal law.


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Uniformed?

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:56 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Yes I suppose those that nearly all that wear uniforms also aren't birthers.

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Congrats, you caught a typo. You know very well that I meant uninformed.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:59 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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I didn't say he deserved it, read my post again. The question was what could he do that would

Author: IrishMac (95 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:48 pm on Jan 11, 2017

earn the benefit of the doubt.

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Didn't Trump wait 4 years before starting up the birther thing?

Author: NedoftheHill (12407 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:37 pm on Jan 11, 2017

I thought he was pretty late to the party on that.

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Yes, he waited too long and did not follow up.

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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equate the birther thing with the russian thing--

Author: Hank the Tank (5002 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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except 1 is supported by the US intelligence community

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Based on a quick google search he waited 2 years

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Jan 11, 2017

First public birther comment seems to be February 2011...2 years after Obama was sworn in. So I was wrong that he was a birther before Obama was inaugurated.

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And HRC was a birther in 2008. So what?

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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Is HRC the president elect?

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:37 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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No, thank God. However, you fail to criticize her for starting the issue. Of course, the only

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Jan 11, 2017

criticism she deserves on that front is her failure to follow up.

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That's b/c this thread had nothing to do with HRC

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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If the birther issue is in play, then so is HRC. She started it as DT pointed out in the debates

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:02 pm on Jan 11, 2017

and she could not deny. All of the original birthers were Dems.

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So every time that anyone mentions that DT was a birther, they have to include HRC in discussion?

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:25 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Even though HRC lost and is no longer nationally relevant on any level?

If that is the rules, why stop at HRC? Seems like both of us failed to mention Sheriff Joe (who also lost and is no longer relevant).

By the way...I think its disgusting that the Clintons also played the birther card. I voted against HRC in both primaries she ran. I despise her. Criticism of Trump is not praise of Clinton.


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Why is it wrong that HRC told the truth regarding the birther issue? Yes, Soros spent a lot

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:33 pm on Jan 11, 2017

of money to have Sheriff Joe out. That does not make him irrelevant.

You can't leave her out of it. She was the first to speak the truth. One of the few times she has.


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Yeah...Soros money goes along way in Arizona

Author: ND_in_DRO (479 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 5:41 pm on Jan 11, 2017

Maybe the citizens of your dear sheriff's county (which is 2/3 Republican and voted Republican for President in every election since WW2) were tired of his birther BS.

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Money goes a long way anywhere. It was the citizens of Maricopa County that asked him to

Author: LTNDFAN (10221 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:49 pm on Jan 11, 2017

investigate. The evidence he uncovered is incontrovertible. My guess that you have no clue as to what he uncovered or you would not be taking the stance that you are.

The simple fact that violation of Federal law for failing to register for the draft makes him ineligible and the fact that he still refuses to provide any evidence of his background, including citizenship does not bother you?