Of course West Virginia should tear down Robert Byrd's statue.
But they won't.
West Virginians will revere Robert Byrd until the end of time for two reasons:
1.) Through his long service, Byrd was able to accumulate enough seniority to direct some of the spoils of modern government toward improve the lives of many of the sorry citizens of his backward, woefully underdeveloped state. And,
2.) They know the guy was KKK, and a hoopie through and through, so they love him, even though the KKK is all Republican now.
I don't think Byrd was anywhere near as big a bucket of shit as Robert E. Lee was, though. That guy was a motherfuckin' traitor.
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Tearing down or keeping it is none of your business if you're not a west virginian.
It's called states' rights. Please respect their rights.
Interesting how you try to make him a "West Virginian" rather than the marquis Democrat he also was
......he didn't live anywhere near West Virginia for over 45 years
Byrd is uniquely revered in West Virginia, no matter your stupid contortions.
Grown men weep at the mention of his name.
I really didn't know there was a statue of Byrd in the state, but, given West Virginia and West Virginians, i guess it's not surprising. I don't usually stay current with statue building around the country. I just missed it.
I think Trump should demand that the GOP governor tear the damn thing down, but Trump is too big a pansy, and the governor is, too.
GOP pansies.
Hillary's mentor, eulogized by:...
"A funeral was held on July 2, 2010, on the grounds of the State Capitol where Byrd was eulogized by President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Governor Joe Manchin, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi, Senator Jay Rockefeller, Congressman Nick Rahall, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, and former President Bill Clinton. After the funeral services in Charleston, his body was returned to Arlington, Virginia, for funeral services on July 6, 2010, at Memorial Baptist Church. After the funeral in Arlington, Byrd was buried next to his wife Erma at Columbia Gardens Cemetery in Arlington, although family members have stated that both the senator and Mrs. Byrd will be reinterred somewhere in West Virginia once a site is determined."
Hey, but he's sorry for being a member of the KKK.
Why, he fits the mold of the state, backward and govt dependent?
The beating heart of Trump Country.
I think the main takeaway is we have been a little loose with monuments just in general
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Well, what do you expect from a bunch of deplorables?
BTW, it might be easier for you to tell us which statues of Anglo-Americans should be allowed to stand? Give us some names.
The Rocky statue in Philly needs to come down........
.... no way he beats Apollo Creed in real life, no way!
How about some who weren't traitors who preferred destroying the union to freeing slaves?
Could we start with that?
Maybe since the rebs were white guys, they're a-o-k with you.
I created the Chris94 Random Post Generator machine, but all it generates is this:
"Racist!"
Aces, kid.
Oh, by the way, please share which historical assertion or which statistic I've shared which is false. To borrow a phrase from someone else: "Facts don't care about your feelings."
Lincoln, Garrison, Thad Stevens, Grant, Sherman, TR, FDR, Truman, IKE, Ronnie Reagan, La Follette,
Adams (John and JQ), Sumner, Chamberlain, Neil Armstrong, All of the ND coaches at the stadium although not Anglo.
TR?? FDR??
The guy who didn't want the Negro soldiers photographed with the white boys and the guy who okayed the internment camps? You're going to have to do better than this, Frank. I've got dirt on most of the honkies on your shameful list.
Did they wage war against the United States?
Really, why is this even an issue?
How about statues for the Rosenbergs and Benedict Arnold?
How does it feel to be on the side of the KKK and Nazis?
Because that won't be the standard and you know this.
Once you go down this road, removing monuments that offend people, few will be off-limits. The folks who have driven this effort are adherents to a religion that weaves a tale of the original sin of light-skinned folks and it can more than ensnare any Euro-American of note over the past 300 years. The folks behind this are devoid of the ability to create nuanced thoughts or place things in historical perspective, with their oversimplification of Lee a prime example. These are also folks accustomed to getting their way. Once you indulge them, they will demand more. Only a fool would believe that they will stop with Confederate symbols.
The ultimate destination here will be statues of themselves, which is, to a large extent, what this is all about.
Bullshit
I'm sure you can find radicals who want statues of the founding fathers to come down on your culture-war sites, but there is very little support for it in broader society.
This is a confederacy issue, no matter how badly you want to make a slippery-slope argument.
"A few radicals?" You mean other than the radicals behind the current effort?
Uh, Chris, what do the polls say about removing these statues? Doh!
Enlightened white people of means like you love this sort of thing. It requires virtually nothing of you but by getting behind it, it projects what you want to project to the world. In a million years, you won't move to an all-black neighborhood or send your child to an all-black school or move an impoverished minority family under your roof or even attend an all-black church, but you'll get behind something like this, puff out your puny chest and proudly denounce anyone who doesn't see it your way as lowdown, dirty racists.
Cross mascots and statues off the list. Offensive books just have to be next.
Slippery slope arguments are just defenses of extremism
There is no support for removing statues of founding fathers, and if you had an honest bone in your tiresome body, you'd admit it.
I've identified the fatal flaw in your argument:
the premise that statues will only be removed if most of the people support removing them. That is factually incorrect, as demonstrated by the current removals.
"Extremism" is another non-word employed by shysters. What it really means is: "Opinion unpopular with the accuser or a particular group." It's smear used to avoid a legitimate debate.
Not what extremism means, counselor
You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own definitions.
Just declare victory and stop posting, like you always do, nonsensically.
The ACLU often sides with the Neo-Nazi's. I'll bet they had a hand in getting the permit in VA.
Are they evil?
You are conflating issues here
The Nazis have the right to speak and assemble.
But we shouldn't make statues of them, either.
Down with the Lindbergh statue!
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Down with bullshit distractions!
You have no argument for the actual issue - at least not one that does not put you in the KKK camp - so you ask us to imagine some sort of mindless dystopia where all statues are taken down.
Rather than reality, which is that confederate monuments erected during the height of Jim Crow are being removed. And it's about time.
You've got me, professor: I am indeed a KKK sympathizer.
I'm heartened by the fact that so many eyes get to see the sort of silliness from an academic that I often reference.
Didn't say that. You can't read.
No wonder you think you do so well in arguments.
"You have no argument for the actual issue - at least not one that does not put you in the KKK camp"
Actually, professor, you struggle with coming to terms with the asinine assertions you make and then rest upon this sort of feeble accusation when you can't retract it.
Yes, I do argue against removing these monuments for the three basic reasons I cited, which, according to what you wrote, amounts to "no argument," which then renders me a part of "the KKK camp."
Now, what's your next bit of nonsense?
Exacty. You are on their side. Sorry!
That is different from being a "sympathizer." You can infer what you like, but that's not what I said.
And your position on statues is the same as the Klan. Another fact. Sorry!
Brilliant!
The KKK and "alt-rgith"also supports the same position as the ACLU on free speech and free assembly, therefore the ACLU is a KKK and "alt-right" sympathizing organization!
Would you mind if I save this and give it to a wider audience, prefacing it by informing the audience that this is a tenured professor making these asinine arguments that employ any number of logical fallacies? And in political science, to boot!
TR had the first black guest for dinner to the WH. So I call bully on yer BS. Earl Warren, before
he became a Commie was also the moving force behind the internment camps.
I raise you TR's enthusiastic support of eugenics!
And with regards to FDR and internment camps, as someone else on your list stated: "The buck stops here!"
Margaret Sanger brainwashed him. Should her statues come down, huh, huh?
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I draw the line at Oliver Wendell Holmes!
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"Three generations of imbeciles is enough". He would certainly enjoy the level of discourse here.
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How do you feel about the Taliban blowing up all those Buddhist statues?
Removing the symbols of a culture that has no place in modern Afghanistan. Hear hear!
Their justifications and yours would resonate very well. Really, if you remove the fiery jihad bullshit, you probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
They should have put those Buddhist statues in museums.
Fuckin' Taliban...
Trump and the generals will fix those bastards.
I was hoping for a book-burning chaser after the statues come down.
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