Congrats to all the moochers! They've managed to overpay for a college degree that provides
a negative return on their investment and have had their debt absolved.
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Level 1
Had you taken advantage of a college education, you would have been able to read and understand the
article you posted...for instance...this excerpt...
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"The PSLF program, created by Congress in 2007, enables government and non-profit employees — including teachers, firefighters, nurses, first responders, service members, and other public service workers — with federally-backed student loans to apply for forgiveness after proof of 120 monthly payments under a qualifying repayment plan."
------------------------The program was set up by whoever was in the White House in 2007 in an effort to spur citizens to become "Teachers"..."Firefighters"..."Nurses"...etc....and all those good people you categorize as "Moochers" did their part in getting college educations...the "Promised" Program did not...and finally, we have an administration that will honor that commitment.
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Level 2
I’m aware of the specifics and my point is still proven. i’m not supportive of forgiving debt, beca
use someone else is sure to pay. the degrees they received are worthless despite the hefty price tags paid.
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Level 3
More background for you "Low Information" types...
This program was created under the Bush (GOP) administration...but not honored by the Trump administration....therefore, a new (Dem) administration needs to make good on a promise to citizens who responded in good faith to the PSLF program.
You should know that Tax Policy isn't just for funding the military...it is used to create changes in behavior for the benefit of the greater good...e.g. ensuring we have enough critical 'Public Service' workers who don't get to make "Big Bucks" in the private sector...Teachers...Firefighters...etc...
Redirect your ire to oil and gas companies STILL getting huge tax breaks...you'd think they would have figured out how to run a profit making business by now...don't you?...talk about "Moochers"!
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Level 4
i’ve never been supportive of tax breaks for targeted industries. also not a fan of full pensions
to many public servants after 20 years, so they can double dip for another 20
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Level 5
Tyrone is better than you, in his estimation,…and wants you to know it. Ideally…he’d like you to
TakethetrainKnute35873 posts..acknowledge it also…in a “kneel before Zod” kinda way.
Other than that… he’s just a regular “Joe”.
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Level 6
Simply providing needed information to 'Cheeks' who apparently did not read the article posted by
this thread's initiator...otherwise, he would have known that the people receiving "Promised" loan forgiveness, were IN NO WAY "Moochers"...just doing my part to correct a complete mis-understanding by him, WestCoast...and apparently, you.
Now if you want to pursue that line of thinking still...tell us how it is wrong for someone to be promised that their college expenses would be underwritten, provided they followed through by working in the fields required (i.e. Teaching, Firefighting, etc.)...and they do as THEY PROMISED?
What is your definition of a "Moocher"?...and furthermore, do you believe it wrong to use government incentives to encourage much needed services for the benefit of local, state and federal public service interests?
In other words...what's your 'quip' for this issue ;-).
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Level 7
I believe it's wrong to use government incentives to encourage much needed services for the
benefit of local, state and federal public service interests." Furthermore, many of the jobs you listed don't need a college degree and they certainly don't need a degree costing $200,000k. Are you as comfortable excusing Amazon and others from paying no taxes since they are just taking advantage of tax laws available to them?
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Level 7
I was responding to your pomposity in referring to others as “Low information types”…
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Level 8
Any chance you'll eventually get to the substance of this matter?...is it being a "Mooch" to want
the government to honor its commitment to "forgive" the expense you incurred for a college education when you lived up to all the conditions?
Whether the program was a wise one or not is immaterial to this fundamental question/accusation brought up by the original poster...and sadly backed by folks like you.
As for the "Low Information" moniker...would you call people who make a pejorative claim against people (i.e. "Moochers") that is easily and totally refuted by just reading the link the original poster provided "High Information", or "Well Read" types?...I believer I was accurate in my depiction...but, admittedly, not sensitive to their unexpectedly thin skins....on that score, here's more info from a link within that original link...and directly related to the subject at hand...
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Congress created the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program (PSLF) in 2007 to help various kinds of public service workers erase their student debt after ten years of loan payments.
But management of the program is widely considered to be a failure as more than 98% of applications from teachers, firefighters, police, and other public servants are rejected.
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has been sued multiple times over her department’s high denial rate, while Education Department (ED) officials contend that Congress designed the rules to be too restrictive.-
Level 9
Nope. I wasn’t engaging about the substance of the matter. I was engaging about the way you address
TakethetrainKnute35873 posts…fellow human beings.
You could educate without denigrating…but that’s not you.
Understand why you would like to change the focus though.
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Level 11
You didn't. You weren't addressing me...
TakethetrainKnute35873 posts...and my feelings haven't been hurt on this internet forum, at least not in the last 17 years, anyway.
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Level 13
Good to hear that that your prior post was a non sequitur?
TakethetrainKnute35873 postsPar for the course with you...even when you are shooting your age.
Adios...
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Level 14
Sheesh...I thought you were going to let this go...I promise I won't use that term again with you or
anyone else...besides, the proper appellation would be "Willfully Un-Informed" for not reading the article, which would have negated the need for this thread in the first place...now if you DID read it and still hold the opinion that the loan forgiveness recipients were still "Moochers", then there are other more apt terms that would apply.
BTW, save the 'Crocodile Tears" and "Righteous Indignation"...I'm under the impression that only adults are participants on this board, and a WHOLE LOT more derogatory terms are thrown about with abandon...
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Level 7
Hail Zod!
(no message)"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Level 3
I haven't asked yet, but I'm sure my kids will be happy to be taxed to pay that off.
(no message)Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Level 1
Worse than tuition-free socialism. In those tuition-free counties, admission to college is extremely
competitive because they limite the enrollment. I came from that tuition free background. In my years, only 10% of high school graduates nation wide were admitted to college (The percentage went up after they reformed in mid 1990s by introducing very moderate tuition).
The point is you can't have both: free tuition and wide open entry to college (low admission standard) like most American colleges. Even socialism doesn't offer both of them.
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