It took 18 months for me to personally know someone with Covid. I now know 5...all vaccinated. WTF.
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Level 1
The 2 shot vax is about survival. The rest is politics and religion.
BaronVonZemo 64245 postsGet the 2 shot &if you have medical issues or >65, get the booster……and if you choose to anyways, get the booster. But otherwise just try to live your life. That’s my perspective. It’s simple and the rest is just silly for the general healthy public.
COVID is being used by the Left very heavily in the schools, with shut down, with the election process, and with placebo/virtue signaling homemade facial garb.
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Level 2
Do you have a learning disability, Baron?...we've been over this mask thing time after time...every
single health agency on this planet advocates the use of masks for mitigation of airborne virus transmission, especially in indoor environments like schools...heck, even our famous "MIT Report" that you posted calls out the "order of magnitude" benefit that masking provides in school room settings...yet somehow, with all of that in front of you, you cannot get the message into your skull...why is that?
Add to this gap in your "Fund of Knowledge", you fail to appreciate that there are still nearly 100 million Americans who are not vaccinated and therefore vulnerable to ICU admissions and death from COVID...that reality has not changed...what is wrong with you?
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Level 3
Your references assume proper use of effective equipment.
BaronVonZemo 64245 postsI've explained this before & not interested again. The next time you catch yourself reusing your mask, using a cloth jobby from home, and/or touching your face/mask to adjust it, think about it.
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Level 4
Wouldn't have to continue going through this if you had read that MIT Report you posted...since it's
apparent you still haven't read it...I'll spoon feed you one of the most relevant excerpts that addresses the very issue you bring up...i.e. properly fit surgical masks versus cloth or even single-layer fabric masks...please read this very small amount of the report and then get back to me...btw, since you haven't read it, the term "CET" stands for "Cumulative Exposure Time"...i.e. how long it is judged safe to be in the particular environment
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"In both examples, the benefit of face masks is immediately apparent, since the CET limit is enhanced by a factor p−2m
, the inverse square of the mask penetration factor. Standard surgical masks are characterized by pm=1to5% (73, 74), and so allow the CET to be extended by 400 to 10,000 times. Even cloth face coverings would extend the CET limit by 6 to 100 times for hybrid fabrics (pm=10to40%)or 1.5 to 6 times for single-layer fabrics (pm=40to80%)(75). Our inference of the efficacy of face masks in mitigating airborne transmission is roughly consistent with studies showing the benefits of mask use on COVID-19 transmission at the scales of both cities and countries (22, 33, 83)."
_________________________The report has charts on recommended CET situations for school rooms and nursing care facilities...and they specifically base those recommendations on "CLOTH MASKS" being used, even though as shown above, they are well aware of the benefits derived from surgical/N95 masks...apparently, they are 'Ok' with a reduction in transmissibility of "6 to 100 times", as opposed to ZERO (no masks).
Can you find it in your heart to finally acknowledge the value of mask wearing and its application in all CDC recommended situations?????
Edit: spelling
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Level 2
But we already have had more deaths in Vaxxxed year 2021 than unvaxxxed 2020
To be fair, I don't really buy this death number on real covid death because die with covid is much complicated, not as straightforward as die of covid.
Let's look forward to checking excessive death of 2020 and 2021 to see first, real covid death of 2020 and 2021, then to see how many lives are saved by vaccine. I strongly believe excessive death is the most scientific way to estimate covid death.
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Level 2
And in the long run the prevailing variant will present only mild symptoms.
This is already happening.
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Level 3
mild & transmissible, indeed a nice exit scenario. Just too mysterious. The varriant is almost like
man made. Its evolution broken chain needs connection. None of 3 NPR's explanations satisfies me. Maybe #3 a little bit better.
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Level 1
I know quite a few, but they all caught it pre-vaccine and all are just fine today
The younger ones (high school and college) had few symptoms, the older ones had treatments but no hospitalization.
I support getting vaccinated but not mandates and certainly not lockdowns which have caused more harm than COVID itself.
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Level 1
Did you meet these people while gathering firewood or berries?
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Know only 1. vaccinated too. Live in San Antonio. Not hospitalized. Cough hard, somehow
disoriented and poor memory temporarily though. Early 30s. Got it in September. That's about 18 months too. When she moved to TX, she spent last week here in our home. Haven't seen her for 11 years.
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Level 1
Over the last 18 months...have you watched TV?...read papers or on-line news articles...done any
Googling about COVID?...I'm guessing the answer is yes to all those questions, so you know by now that vaccines have been tremendously effective in keeping people from getting seriously ill or dying...while those who aren't vaccinated are the ones filling up ICUs...98% in most hospitals...even those who have been vaccinated and experienced a breakthrough infection due to the Delta variant are protected from serious illness and death far better than those who aren't vaccinated...so what's your problem?
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Level 2
TV? or on-line news? Here's one: The 1st Omicron case in MN is from fully vaxxxed & boostered
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Level 3
He had mild symptoms...good thing he was vaccinated...again, COVID ICU cases are typically (98%)
unvaccinated...your choice, Eli...seriously...which path is the smartest one?
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Level 4
Tell us which Omicron case is not mild? Seriously let me educate you once
We conservatives prefer obtaining knowledge from personal experience over that from TV, online, articles... We certainly learn something from TV, online and all kinds of articles. But that kind of knowledge, before we personally experience it, remains abstract knowledge to us. This is one difference between conservatives and liberals.
How did you get 98% lCU patients are unvaxxxed? Are you a ICU doctor? i.e. you got it from your personal experience? We have so-called over 700k covid deaths. But we even still don't know the death by age group, these very simple numbers.
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Level 5
While you're avoiding my question, I'll answer yours...
First off, your 'tap dance' statement on Conservative information gathering is a head scratcher...you say you don't prefer to use TV, etc...yet you do...but it's too abstract...need to personally experience whatever is being communicated...sorry, but I'm glad you're the only one I've heard of who thinks that way.
That 98% figure is from an actual ICU doctor who is a family member (surprised you haven't made that connection ;-))...If you want more backup to the value of vaccines, I just Googled an article from the Netherlands which stated that 97% of ICU admissions were for unvaccinated patients...now you can split hairs here if you'd like between 98% and 97%, but perhaps your best course of action would be to contract COVID-19, get admitted to an ICU and do a survey of fellow patients...you know...personal experience.
So, back to my question if you don't mind...What is the smarter course of action...get vaccinated...or not?
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Level 6
Are you high? My question is clear on the title. Did you answer it? Spendin time on conservatism 101
to you is to let you know we don't need to waste time on each other because we are completely different creature, think completely different. We conservatives don't comment on personal decision. We talk about vaccination as public health policy. At personal level we believe all serious people make what they think smart decision regardless of your agreement with him or not because all serious people are capable of figuring out risk/benefit for themselves. Just give them freedom to make such decision.
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Level 7
Put a cork in it, Eli...I have been meeting virtually every week for the last 15 years with a group
of 4-8 friends who are decidedly "Conservative", with me being essentially the lone "Liberal" ;-)...as the time frame indicates, we are GOOD friends and value each others opinions. As someone who has voted for Reagan (2x), H.W. Bush and G.W. Bush (2x), and read Friedrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" I can recognize Conservatism all by myself...so just stop with your "seminar".
The issue here is vaccination...with all that's been published thus far...how do you manage to deny the value of vaccination?...btw, each and every one of my friends is vaccinated and boosted (couldn't get it fast enough)...they wear masks in every indoor setting that might have non-vaccinated people in it...without hesitation or discomfort...oh, and every one of them has an advanced technical degree (Masters or PhD)...they know how to make good decisions.
What do you know that every health agency on earth doesn't?
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Level 8
No offense, I really think you're high from something. Next time when you or Conor or 94 single out
Conservative/Republican as antivaccine, please link your above post to rebuke them including yourself. My stand is very clear as I already told you. Your friends' decision on vaccination is their personal decision, nothing violate conservative principles, assuming their decision were not forced by others to make.
I have no idea why you don't follow each topic. When you suggest reading online, I post a online piece. When you say it is a mild case as result of vaccine, I asked you to give us a serious case of Omicron. Everytime you tried to change subject. As for conservative, I tried to tell you the differences between conservatives and liberals. I certainly didn't expect agreement from you. Others you won't be liberal. But you try to tell me what I said is not conservative and you know conservative well, more than I do. WTF. Did I ever say you are not a liberal when you claim you are? You are just arguing for sake of arguing without topic. You know what they call this! Trolling.
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Level 9
You keep avoiding the question...what do you know that every Health Organization on earth doesn't?..
COVID-19 is a virus...and like other viruses that have been controlled it is because a vaccine has been created...the same teams around the world that saved so many lives is working on COVID-19...same crew of people...same processes...nothing has changed, except we have a new, novel, virus.
As I've mentioned repeatedly, and provided evidence of both from a close relation who does this work every day, and an article from Europe saying what our ICU Doc said...vaccines work very well...and people who are unvaccinated are in constant peril, especially given the higher transmissibility of the Delta, and possibly Omicron, variants.
For me, this has nothing to do with whether you lean Conservative or Liberal...other than to say that virtually all the Liberals understand the value of vaccines, while a significant number of Republicans don't...in part because their leadership is putting them at risk with mis-information...not unlike what you do here.
I'm simply conveying facts, like the figure of 98% ICU beds being occupied by UNVACCINATED patients, and I use links from other respected sources (e.g. Netherlands Health Organization) to aid readers in making up their own mind...i.e., not just taking my opinion.
See you later...
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