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From our nation's paper of record -- re Omicron ...

Author: conorlarkin (21009 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:43 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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"Hospitals are already overburdened by Delta patients, and the consequences of many infections in a short period will be increasingly deadly. Even cases among the vaccinated can still lead to long Covid.

Fortunately, there’s mounting evidence that a third shot, which the Food and Drug Administration authorized in November for all adults, can increase people’s defenses. But only around 28 percent of Americans have received a booster.

While policymakers are still urging people to do what they can to avoid spreading or contracting the virus, the response to Omicron has largely been to re-emphasize the need for boosters in order to bolster immunity against an infection that will be hard to keep at bay. More measures will likely be needed to lessen the toll on the health system. Rapid tests for every American could help prevent transmission by identifying infections early, for example.

With the eradication of Covid-19 off the table, the hope has been that one variant — in the best-case scenario, an innocuous one — would finally push the United States toward endemicity, a consistent but relatively contained level of infection. But the world will need a lot more immunity to get there. Ideally, people would be both vaccinated and regularly boosted so that they have protection against disease when they are exposed to any variant and at most feel they have a crummy cold and recover.

Annual shots, as with seasonal flu variants, and boosters, as with tetanus, have always been an accepted part of infectious disease prevention. And outside of the Covid pandemic, no one really speaks of breakthrough infections, though the term may still apply. In the future, getting Covid-19 boosters and breakthroughs will feel like the new normal, Dr. Ellebedy said.

While SARS-CoV-2 infections among the vaccinated may feel like a personal problem, they actually represent a societal and global one. In the United States, for example, the Delta variant has already pummeled health care infrastructure, putting strain on providers and making it more difficult for everyone from cancer patients to people experiencing appendicitis to seek care.

“We will continue to have variants of concern emerging as long as we have large swaths of the human population that are unprotected,” said the bioethicist Nancy Jecker, a professor at the University of Washington School of Medicine."


Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/opinion/omicron-breakthroughs.html

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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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NYSlimes.

Author: Cole (16181 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 7:46 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Excellent article...here are some "Cliffs Notes" from the UCSF Grand Rounds video on Omicron posted

Author: TyroneIrish (20426 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:44 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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earlier...

>Omicron ("O") is HIGHLY transmissible...party in Oslo, Norway...111 attendees at a restaurant...80 came down with "O"...all vaccinated (not boosted??)...but NO hospitalizations
>Only one monoclonal anti-body treatment effective (Sotrovimab/S309)...all others, near zero effect on "O"
(*) Current "Full Vaccination" condition (i.e. 2 doses of mRNA) affords near zero protection from transmission...Booster shot restores to ~75% (Pfizer)...very important to get "Boosted" for "O".
(*) Natural Immunity no longer exists with "O"...HOWEVER...if vaccinated after COVID infection, then patient becomes "Super Immune"...very good protection.
>20% higher risk of hospitalization for children with "O"...concerning...
>What to do?...
- Get Vaccinated...GET BOOSTED!
- Act more cautiously (masking, social distancing, etc.)
(*) Oral treatment pill (i.e. Pfizer's PAXLOVID) is a "Game Changer" once approved...need to get patients in therapy ASAP,
>Each of the Grand Rounds ID Docs uses home COVID testing...especially for holiday gatherings...Ok to gather w/o masks IF...all attendees are vaccinated and boosted...have been tested shortly before entry to the gathering...must have a negative test to attend...if feeling 'unwell', e.g. scratchy throat, cough, malaise, etc....DON'T ATTEND...even with a negative test.


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Great notes. I did watch it early this morning. Very informative.

Author: conorlarkin (21009 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:55 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Very grateful that I received Booster in mid NOV.

Will be cautious over the holidays, but still active w/ family.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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In fact, Dr. Collins says it best:

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:28 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Collins said on Sunday that during his 12 years serving as NIH director, one thing he would have studied more carefully is hesitancy.
"I did not imagine there would be 60 million people who, faced with compelling evidence of the life-saving nature of Covid vaccines, would still say, 'No, not for me,'" he said.

Can’t fix moronity Doc.


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Clearly, the “persuasion” campaign was disastrously bad.

Author: Iggle (12614 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 6:00 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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None of these guys would make it in a marketing department. Hopefully someone will remember this and try to learn from this major fail by the medical establishment.

You can blame the morons all you want, but the experts definitely sucked at the job of promoting the vaccines.


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P.T. Barnum couldn’t have sold it to this crowd. The stupidity is breathtaking.

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:49 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Meh - Measles, mumps, polio, smallpox - all sucess stories.

Author: Iggle (12614 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:42 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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This has been the opposite of a success story.

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Different times. Different people. No socials and people trusted medicine. Now we are all our own

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:49 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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experts. In fact some of those you mention are making a comeback due to anti vaxxers.

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Yep. The ERs are about to be overrun with unvaxxed morons, and there’s nothing we can do about that.

Author: Chris94 (36754 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:19 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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That is well said.

Author: conorlarkin (21009 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:38 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Sadly, as part of joining their cult, the cult members have been programmed to reject truth, and invent their alternative brand of facts

As we see on this Board, they have wandered far away from rational thinking, and should be present a danger to themselves and a danger to others.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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The wave that’s gonna hit is gonna be painful. You can’t fix stupid and convince morons.

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Thanks plague rats. You are already 85-90% of hospitalizations. Your best work is yet to come.

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Racist.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 3:57 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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Micro clots are not visible on imaging, except that D Dimer levels are raised

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 2:47 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Thank god you are vaxxed and protected. Not a chance you can catch this, amirite?

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:46 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Now let every one else live there lives and shut up about it.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 3

Ahh, but then he can't tell everyone else how to live.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59898 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:29 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Only on this board will you find a physician supporting someone not getting vaccinated...unreal.

Author: TyroneIrish (20426 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Or make safe harbor for those who support minor attracted"people".

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 7:12 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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As a reminder...he's got you on ignore. He doesn't see your bullshi....I mean posts.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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I'm completely aware of that (i.e. "Ignore")...but others can see what I post...and that's important

Author: TyroneIrish (20426 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:19 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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He can't "Mute" me ;-)...btw, how many physicians do you know who support not getting vaccinated?...and now, with exceptionally transmissible "Omicron"...Boosted?

Shouldn't such a person be "Called Out" for being so medically wrong?


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“Nobody” reads your posts, you are a proven liar.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 8:59 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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Increased chance that we will catch it. Hence, we add defensive fortifications.

Author: conorlarkin (21009 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:52 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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The Booster jab improves the odds that I will not become infected, but if infected, improves the odds I do not suffer a severe/lethal illness.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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a man made protein is what is causing the clotting

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Ok, but still can catch it. It’s not a vaccine.

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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Check w/ your school's librarian.

Author: conorlarkin (21009 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:18 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Link: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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I did and got this.

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/

noun
noun: vaccine; plural noun: vaccines
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease

This shot does not offer immunity. It’s not a vaccine.


I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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Heh. They are going to need to change the definition now.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59898 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:31 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Hank the Tank territory.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:30 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Maybe you need to get in touch with google. That definition came from them.

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:34 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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I thought a liberal company like that would fall in line with the new CDC definition. You know how you schmucks like to change the rules to control the narrative.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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Protection from infection is not the medical community's (CDC, et al) ONLY measure...protection from

Author: TyroneIrish (20426 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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serious illness and death is as well...and of foremost importance...see the link from CDC.

btw, getting "Boosted" with mRNA vaccines restores transmission protection to ~75% (see the UCSF Grand Rounds video I posted earlier).


Link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html

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You’d rather blame Google for your misunderstanding of why

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:52 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Vaccines are important in this time of COVID19?

I can’t say I didn’t see that coming.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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I just gave you the definition of vaccine. The fact that the COVID shot doesn’t give the

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:01 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Person immunity is not my fault. If you want to believe it does, it’s on you. I’m not blaming google. I’m just telling you what it gave back to me.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
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The classic term vaccine is being misapplied to the new mRNA treatments. Not sure why someone would

Author: BaronVonZemo (59898 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:51 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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have issues admitting that unless they somehow felt that this fundamentally threatened their beliefs.

The 2 shot COVID "vaccines" still has significantly worthwhile preventaitive value, but you bring up a good (if esoteric ) point. It further demonstrates that this topic is religious dogma to some people.
They exhibit behavior seen with zealots who want to force their beliefs upon others rather than have frank and open discourse.


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I love it when dopes and Fox News hosts decide what is and what is not a vaccine

Author: Chris94 (36754 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:18 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Medical professionals are obviously just idiots. Radio talk show hosts have the answers.

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What are you babbling about? I don’t know what is so hard about letting people

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:22 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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Live their lives. You have the shot, you’re protected. In other words, shut the fuck up about other peoples choices.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 4

What flavor kool aid did you drink 🥤💉💉💉

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 2:57 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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spike protein and the RBN furin clevage site, including mRNA vaccines causes clotting

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 2:46 pm on Dec 19, 2021
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