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See you later Maverick and Iceman.

Author: Buffaloirish (1472 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 12:59 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Racial and gender quotas in the cockpit. What could go wrong?

Link: https://www.breitbart.com/education/2021/04/07/united-plans-for-half-of-pilots-in-training-program-to-be-women-and-minorities/

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Thread Level: 2

Put the best in The Seat. Pretty simple. Oh wait, this is 2021.

Author: Frankx (5313 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 6:59 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Thread Level: 3

You want to put the Best in the Seat?...check out Patty Wagstaff (see link)

Author: TyroneIrish (20442 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:06 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Three time U.S. Aerobatic Champion (btw, that includes "Dudes").

Here's another view from inside her cockpit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqpAIUOlwU

There's more where she came from.


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2q2Z5Q19eM

Thread Level: 4

Don't care. Should the best of the best be in the seat or listen to your BS? Or watch your

Author: Frankx (5313 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 9:22 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Videos?
If you don't want to answer the question say, I don't want to answer the question. I can respect that.


Thread Level: 5

I've already given you the qualifications for "Best in the Seat"...Hrs...type of aircraft flown...

Author: TyroneIrish (20442 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:42 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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weather experience...type of flying experience(s)...airports and routes flown...what am I missing?

Thread Level: 6

Peace out. Another troll I will never respond to again.

Author: Frankx (5313 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 9:55 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Sorry we didn't connect this time...let's try on another thread.

Author: TyroneIrish (20442 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:31 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Actually, things could get better...hear me out on this...

Author: TyroneIrish (20442 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:02 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Your posting perked my ears up right away since my youngest sister is a pilot with over 11,000 hours and most of them in jets, with not so much as a scratch on any of those planes and no negative reports from any agency...so I called her to get her comments.

First off, she's against quotas just to check a box (i.e. # of Females...check; number of minorities...check)...but at the same time, over her career she's seen more than enough examples of gender bias against highly qualified women pilots, and I suspect she'd agree on the minority side as well. In my own biased opinion based on many talks with her, as well as a few flights, she's a fabulous pilot...and I'd tell anyone to trust their - and their families/friends - lives with her. She's obviously flown mostly with men and while the vast majority have been a pleasure to team with, there have been more than a few who took a "macho" approach to the unforgiving craft of flying, thereby upping the risk factor for passengers and crew.

My sister's view is that encouraging women and minorities to apply for training is a very good thing, but there must be no slackening of requirements when it comes to granting licenses and recruitment. If I remember the conversation accurately, the keys to an evaluation should not include gender, race or appearance, but rather Hours...Equipment (i.e. types of aircraft)...weather experience...types of flying...airports used, etc. While she benefitted from our Dad being a WWII B-17 pilot and later retired from a major airline flying everything from DC-3s to 747s and passing along a wealth of basic and subtle insights, the most important lesson she learned was that the aircraft only cares about 'how much you weigh'...everything about flying is physics and decision making... not gender, race, appearance or even sexual preference. Only in rare situations is a "manly" pilot needed (e.g. flying a P-51...need a super strong right leg to counter that engine's torque).

To that point about decision making...in my own experience, I once had a flight from Denver to Houston that was experiencing a protracted delay. As all of us passengers are twiddling our thumbs waiting for word on when we might leave, it becomes known that the entire crew for this flight is female...pilot, co-pilot and all cabin attendants...we also learn that the Captain is arguing for an alternate route that would take us around San Antonio, hang a left and come into Houston from the 'back side'...all because of concerns for serious weather. My sister acknowledged my suspicion that management was reluctant to authorize extra fuel and time for this route, but the Captain insisted and ultimately prevailed. Once we were in the air (it was nighttime) we could see off to our left a non-stop 'Fourth of July" display of lightning strikes all the way along our path to San Antonio...we all looked at each other and nodded silent thanks for the Captain's delay.

I'm not saying that every woman pilot is a 'Sully", or that the majority of male pilots of oafs...just that there's plenty of 'non-traditional' talent out there that needs to be sourced and evaluated fairly.


Thread Level: 3

So you agree? Put the best in The Seat? Yes or No?

Author: Frankx (5313 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 7:02 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Absolutely put the best in the cockpit...and make sure you use objective measures while casting a

Author: TyroneIrish (20442 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:49 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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wide net that includes aspiring females and minorities...we agree...right?

Thread Level: 5

Nope, you had to go there. Yes or no.

Author: Frankx (5313 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 8:52 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Thread Level: 3

Good for your sister but this is all about quotas. Also pilots fly around bad weather all the time

Author: Buffaloirish (1472 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 3:43 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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What's your point? I think you stole that story from the movie "The Pilot" with Cliff Robertson.

Thread Level: 4

My point is that you appear to be ignoring the very real biases that have persisted in the aviation

Author: TyroneIrish (20442 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:03 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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arena against women and minorities. Your quip about "what could go wrong?" could be interpreted as 'throwing shade' on the capabilities of women and minorities. Once again, I stated clearly that my sister does NOT favor quotas for the sake of appearances, but rather insists on rigidly - and fairly - applying scrutiny on real-world flying skills...I trust that you would agree that you want the best pilots flying you and your family to wherever you choose to go...regardless of irrelevant factors like gender or race.

Thread Level: 2

Malik and Ice queen...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33495 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:17 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Thread Level: 3

Damn that was funny Train

Author: Buffaloirish (1472 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 2:33 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Thread Level: 2

PC social engineering, affirmative action, forced diversity, anti-white racism:

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 2:15 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Damn, it's a great time to be a lefty!

Thread Level: 2

LGBTQIA included?

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Posted at 1:18 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Thread Level: 3

That's a given

Author: Buffaloirish (1472 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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Thread Level: 2

progress, i think we need to get shorter folks as well as latinos and asians in the NBA

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:17 pm on Apr 7, 2021
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