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Ultimately, this entire episode will be a sad day for America jurisprudence. A country built on inn

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:26 am on Sep 28, 2018
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ocent until proven guilty will be completely upended. I fear for those of you who one day will have a loved one's career or life ended because of am unsubstantiated accusation. The Duke Lacrosse case and UVA article paved the way for where we are, and it's only going to get worse. The retractions are rarely as visible as the original content.

Companies and communities increasingly would rather just eliminate the problem than examine facts. A disgruntled employee or student with a sexist accusation leads to immediate termination; it's easier to hire or promote someone new than be dragged into the social media atmosphere. I'm already seeing male leaders unwilling to spend one-on-one time with female colleagues. The reverse also will happen. It's only a matter of time before a male or female accuses a female leader of sexual harassment. People talk about sterile and depressing work environments. Unsubstantiated allegations and "hostile workplace" lawsuits helped create those.

This will trickle down to college and then high school, where boys will be reluctant to socialize in any aspect for fear of retaliation. It will be a generational thing, but it will happen. Mothers and fathers, even now, are having this sort of talk with their kids. Teenage boys, especially, have little defense to sexual allegations. Why even risk it? Sad days are ahead.


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You want sad day for American jurisprudence: GARLAND.

Author: Rooster (2970 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Sep 28, 2018
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Soon Big Brother will be watching, All females should wear bodycams at work.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 10:09 am on Sep 28, 2018
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JFC. This was not a trial. Why are you so fucking dramatic?

Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:41 am on Sep 28, 2018
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because parents watched, and, more importantly, business leaders and lawyers watched.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 am on Sep 28, 2018
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and...

Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:50 am on Sep 28, 2018
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Come on, you're better than this. You know damn well this episode has significant impact on company

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:05 am on Sep 28, 2018
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policies, informal communication and family dialogue.

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you’re implying that courts will now throw out reasonable doubt.

Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:08 am on Sep 28, 2018
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That’s dramatic and dumb.

It’s embarrassing. It’s a continued downward spiral in politics. Anything more is dramatic.


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then there really is no reason not to confirm.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:18 pm on Sep 28, 2018
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As I posted below.

Author: iairishcheeks (27323 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:54 am on Sep 28, 2018
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In a 2015 Washington Post survey, college students were asked

Which of the following do you think is MORE unfair: (An innocent person
getting kicked out of college after being accused of sexual assault) or (A
person who commits sexual assault getting away with it)?

42% of men and 56% of women responded that it was more unfair for the guilty to get away with it.

That is your future jury pool. So yes, it's possible that the worm is turning on this.


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If the future of the country was based on college students, we would have been a failed state long

Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:00 am on Sep 28, 2018
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ago.

The current jury pool is made up of people that thought Ratt was good music. We're ok.


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Fair point.

Author: iairishcheeks (27323 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:06 am on Sep 28, 2018
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But Ratt music is still way better than Justin Bieber.

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Comprehension is not your gift. It’s not about courts, it’s public opinion & the costs of fighting

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:37 am on Sep 28, 2018
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"Jurisprudence" is in your first subject line. For the love...

Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:43 am on Sep 28, 2018
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And the thought that the public didn't already form opinions based on little evidence is ridiculous.

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Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:43 am on Sep 28, 2018
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Any idea how much it costs to get something thrown out by a court?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:50 am on Sep 28, 2018
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So now we're back to it being about the courts?

Author: LanceHarbor (14266 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:55 am on Sep 28, 2018
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Round and round we go...

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I think it is a sad day for the country but for different reasons

Author: irishscooter (5539 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 9:33 am on Sep 28, 2018
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This shows our political system is fractured into tribes and not one country. The abuse issue is already rampant throughout the country and throughout industries and institutions. The fact that the Executive, legislative and judicial branches are now so petty and small minded (both sides) is a tragic situation that will take a momentous event or a momentous new set of true leaders to change.

Hate is just the bodyguard for grief
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There is no doubt about that.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33501 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 am on Sep 28, 2018
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Agree.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60121 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:44 am on Sep 28, 2018
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Agreed.

Author: NedoftheHill (44728 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:42 am on Sep 28, 2018
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Dems argue that Trump diminishes the presidency. GOP argues Feinstein & Co. diminish the Senate.

Author: NedoftheHill (44728 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:31 am on Sep 28, 2018
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They are probably both right.

But, both may be politically effective. If Kavanaugh is not confirmed, or he is confirmed and then impeached, everything will be changed in this country. This will 100% be the norm going forward, for both parties.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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