Lovely.

Author: conorlarkin (9718 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:21 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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If it looks like a nothingburger and smells like a nothingburger and tastes like a nothingburger...

Author: Curly1918 (1789 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:32 am on Dec 5, 2018

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...then you're probably sitting in a Steak-n-Shake.

Author: LehighND (4196 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:14 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Actually, it looks like Flynn got a free pass for Conspiracy against the United States at the least.

Author: ND521 (2614 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:47 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Brankruptcy & public shaming...he's been punished enough for supporting a nonestablishment candidate

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:42 pm on Dec 5, 2018

I grant you, he still thought we had a free country, where people weren't threatened with jail for their political views. But, he was foolish to think that.

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You mean about when he lied to the Feebs about trying to undermine sanctions imposed by the duly

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:27 pm on Dec 5, 2018

elected prez?

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I hope it is clear to anyone not a Democrat: Don't talk to the feds.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:03 am on Dec 6, 2018



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We have had this discussion. Unless you are REALLY innocent don’t talk to them and don’t talk to

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:28 am on Dec 6, 2018

them without counsel.

Few of the people they want to talk to fit in that catagory.


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Misplaced post. I am sure you meant this for the innocent

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 4:19 pm on Dec 5, 2018

Ross Perot campaign in 90’s. Not the guy lying about Russian sanctions and getting paid off by Putin. I heard Benedict Arnold was an exemplary officer throughout his career until that thing he did at the end.

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What's it like to always be right?

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Dec 5, 2018

You guys always have enough evidence against the right. But there is never any evidence against your side. That must be nice.

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Wrong snowflake. I disagree and object to plenty on the left. But

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 7:25 pm on Dec 5, 2018

Nothing compares to Trumpo and what the GOP has become.

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Safe to say you don't understand what the term snowflake means.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:01 am on Dec 6, 2018

I'm not offended by any of this. I'm merely observing reality and commenting on it.

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Wow, talk about a surprise. You are soooo objective. And you read redacted language like a pro.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:10 am on Dec 5, 2018

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I do see a lot of redacted docs... and it is usually more than apparent what they are hiding

Author: Curly1918 (1789 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:15 am on Dec 5, 2018

In this case, it's a matter of covering up classified and/or sensitive material unrelated to anything to do with any Russians

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"covering up classified and/or sensitive material unrelated to anything to do with Russia"

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:04 pm on Dec 5, 2018

What would that classified info be related to, then? UFOs? Faked moon landings?

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More likely covering up the means and methods of our federal agencies

Author: Curly1918 (1789 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:49 am on Dec 6, 2018

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If you're having trouble comprehending, try page 3, paragraph B of the sentencing addendum.

Author: ND521 (2614 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:56 pm on Dec 5, 2018
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Now Curly reads redactions better, but the phrase “first hand knowledge” might cause me some concern

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Dec 5, 2018

if I were Orange.

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You are a wonder being able to sniff that out.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:20 am on Dec 5, 2018

There is no way a mere mortal can tell from that redaction what has been left out or why.

Unlike the rest of us barely conscious beings, your elevated sense of being able to tell what’s redacted is amazing.

I’m sure your clients are impressed.


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With cheese?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (15179 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:45 am on Dec 5, 2018

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Nah, that's roasted Kushner you're smelling.

Author: ND521 (2614 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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So you are saying Flynn just didn’t go rogue when approaching the Russian ambassador? Hmmmm.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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"Defendant communicated w/Russian...as a representative of the transition team" re: UN Israel vote.

Author: ND521 (2614 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Is that against the law? Honest question.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Interesting. Crickets.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:47 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Not really interesting as that wasn’t his point. What was is that Israel is in Jared’s portfolio.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:56 am on Dec 6, 2018

He wouldn’t have been talking to the ambassador without Jared knowing about it.

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Turkey!

Author: Curly1918 (1789 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:16 am on Dec 5, 2018

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I can't tell based on the public filing

Author: Mark (264 Posts - Joined: Jul 23, 2015)

Posted at 9:42 am on Dec 5, 2018

The Memo references an addendum, which isn't included in the link. The addendum is public, except that it is heavily redacted. The addendum supposedly details Flynn's cooperation, but since we don't know what it says, we can't draw any conclusions one way or another.

Except that isn't entirely true. We know that Mueller's team will declare plea deals void if the defendant doesn't cooperate (see Manafort, Paul). Flynn got a very favorable recommendation. He was looking at potentially five years for lying to thee FBI, and the government essentially told the judge it doesn't care if he gets -0- prison time because of his cooperation. So, whatever he cooperated on, the government is satisfied.


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Cheers and very happy for him if it's no prison time sentence. Flynn is American hero.

Author: Eli (3625 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:33 am on Dec 5, 2018

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Also on Eli’s list of American heroes: Alger Hiss, Robert Hanssen, Aldrich Ames

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:03 am on Dec 5, 2018

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Are you and Frank saying Gen Flynn is not American hero? Shame on you two.

Author: Eli (3625 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:12 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Of course he’s not. He’s a former respected military officer now disgraced.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:04 pm on Dec 6, 2018

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Both of me? And I like my heroes a little less treasony, thank you very much.

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:28 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Yes. shame on you twice. Your insulting a decorated general is worse than Trump's on McCain. This

Author: Eli (3625 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:29 pm on Dec 5, 2018

is why crocodile tears from you and Frank on McCain's death are laughable.

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He is a traitor. Try to get that through your head.

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:59 am on Dec 6, 2018

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All heros of the Motherland.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:11 am on Dec 5, 2018

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Sexist. It's Homeland. We don't do the Fatherland, Motherland thing. Our land is transgender.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:56 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Cept I wasn’t talking about here.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:35 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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What crime did he commit to merit having his family threatened and his life destroyed?

Author: CC72 (13511 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 1:44 am on Dec 5, 2018

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Reader's choice: Conspiracy, espionage or treason. Plus the lies of course.

Author: ND521 (2614 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Dec 5, 2018

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Called trying to cover up crimes by others and by him.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:08 am on Dec 5, 2018

But yeah, no bigie.

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If "lying to FBI" case had gone to court, he would've won. Comey, McCabe all testified in congress

Author: Eli (3625 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:27 am on Dec 5, 2018

saying Flynn told truth. No witnesses' testimony is more convincing than that of FBI #1 and #2 as witness in front of jury. But his Turkish lobbying is really problematic, not just unregistered.

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Apparently he didn’t think so. And they gave the tape of the conversation in question .

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:06 am on Dec 5, 2018

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Flynn admitted criminal wrongdoing, relieving the Government of its burden of proof.

Author: conorlarkin (9718 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:20 am on Dec 5, 2018

He did so upon advice of experienced counsel.

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"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:48 pm on Dec 5, 2018

--George Orwell.

I include the quote marks and the attribution to Orwell, because I fear that there are readers here who wouldn't have immediately realized whom I was quoting. Everyone needs to read 1984. If you haven't read it, you are unknowingly cooperating with the destruction of freedom. Conor?...he is knowingly cooperating. He has a utopia waiting for us, if only we stop resisting.


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Unfortunately not many understand how true your post is

Author: CC72 (13511 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 3:28 am on Dec 6, 2018

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Page 5 of the Addendum reveals that...

Author: ND1IRISH (3023 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:34 pm on Dec 4, 2018

Flynn provided documents and communications very early. Also states his information was first hand which means he was in the room...oh my! Diaper Donald may need triple absorbent Depends or possibly a giant cork stuck up his fatter than typical ass for the next few weeks.

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Board lawyers...interpretation?

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:32 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Mueller knew that this was all he was going to get for Flynn's "crimes"

Author: Curly1918 (1789 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:34 am on Dec 5, 2018

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As good as it gets, .... for Flynn.

Author: conorlarkin (9718 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:37 pm on Dec 4, 2018

Government is telling Judge loud ‘n clear that Flynn cooperated his ass off, providing timely, forthright. and substantial assistance.

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Exactly.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:45 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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And...

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:32 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Jared can't get to sleep and Mike Pence will continue hiding.

Author: ND521 (2614 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 9:57 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Re: And...is this where you say 18 months and still no conspiracy?

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 9:52 pm on Dec 4, 2018

The willfully blind following the blatant lying so called President and his lying cabinet

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I was just trying to get him to comment on his link. Looks like he did so in response to Chris.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:00 pm on Dec 4, 2018

And, of course, conspiracy theories never die. These theories have another 50 years in them.

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Flynn sat for 19 interviews with the Special Counsel. 19!

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:23 pm on Dec 4, 2018

Conspiracy theory alright.

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I'm willing to wait for the evidence, unlike a lot of people.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:30 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Let us see how it plays out.

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:06 pm on Dec 4, 2018

No one should pre-judge this case without knowing what Mueller knows.

Someday we will find it all out. Until then, we must rely on the tea leaves.


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Until then, we can all get excited with our own assumptions.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:11 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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hope our kids have a country in 25-50 years. Not sure with Trumpo

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:12 pm on Dec 4, 2018

Dividing the country, changing foreign policy for his own enrichment, pissing off allies, embracing Putin and the Crown Murderer over our own Intelligence agencies, lying about a tariff deal and crashing the market, showing complete disregard for our values, and high crimes and misdemeanors

Other than that no big deal


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You don't think the Dems and GOP were doing a pretty good job of ending our country before Trump?

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:14 pm on Dec 4, 2018

I think they were. At best, Trump has prolonged the life of the country another 10 years. At worst, he shortened it 10 years. Ho hum.

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Trumpo is an accelerant for chaos and destruction. The only

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:19 pm on Dec 4, 2018

Way he can stand out. Sure we were on a slow burn but that is what happens to empires. Only schmucks embraced Nero.

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Maybe. Michael Moore pointed out that Trump is the biggest F you in history.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:27 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Michael Moore is a chump. The biggest difference between him and Trumpo

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:32 pm on Dec 4, 2018

Is that Trumpo wears poor fitting suits with long ties. And maybe the Orange spray paint.

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Heh.

Author: NedoftheHill (20593 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:42 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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You are on a roll tonight.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:34 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Cheers. What a fucking great season.

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:37 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Bingo, well said.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:23 pm on Dec 4, 2018

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Playing his cards close to the vest.

Author: Frank L (31038 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:46 pm on Dec 4, 2018

But obviously he helped them substantially which is likely not good news for you know who.

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There are two options here

Author: Chris94 (20262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:54 pm on Dec 4, 2018

1) Trump knew what his people were doing and is lying about it

Or

2) The Trump assistants were in constant contact with the Kremlin on their own, and kept their boss in the dark. All of them went rogue.

#2 seems ridiculous to everyone except the cultists.


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Donny jr couldn’t even write his own lying response to meeting with

Author: irishscooter (4860 Posts - Joined: Oct 1, 2008)

Posted at 10:00 pm on Dec 4, 2018

The Russian spies. Daddy had to write his paper for him. Very sad.