I’ll give you an oil company perspective on Climate Change. Not for the weak.

Author: PBHangingChad (6249 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 am on Feb 10, 2019

Imagine on Monday if all US oil companies shut down refineries and stop shipping gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and natural gas. Only one week numb nuts. That’s how much we suck down.

Within a week major parts of the country would run out of energy. So there would be long lines at gasoline stations until the supply runs out and your cars would be useless.

And unless you are connected to nuclear or hydro power when you come home your electricity would be out and your lights wouldn't work.

Your house would be ice cold since there was no heat. Your food in the fridge would be spoiled but doesn’t matter unless you have a fire pit you aren’t cooking anything.

And don’t go to the store if you car still has gas since their is no diesel for trucks to deliver food. Stores are empty.

And don’t try to fly to another country since the airports would close because there were no airplanes flying since there was no jet fuel.

And you lost your job because your office building or factory was closed. No energy to run the facility. Doesn’t really matter you can’t get there unless you walk, have a bike or a horse.

This is what oil company people discuss when we are together having to take all this shit from the hypocrites in the Climate Change religion who use their drivers and private jets to go bitch all over the world about global oil companies.

So know this on this board I’m calling your environmental bitches bluff just to show how dependent you are on fossil fuels.

So everyone who talks about greenhouse climate warming from the oil companies just shut the fuck up.

If you don’t use electricity or cars or airplanes and grow your own food you can post. Everyone else stop using fossil fuels to make your life, living standard, and everything else you do that makes you happy and fulfilled and then you can become a true crusader. Otherwise you’re just a fraud.

You’re like a chronic smoker blaming the tobacco companies for making cigarettes. Stop smoking. And stop using fossil fuels. Or stop bitching if you do.

Respectfully,
An oil company guy


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Thread Level: 2

And fossil fuel alternatives are a bad thing?

Author: golfernot (1195 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:09 pm on Feb 10, 2019

You beachfront yet?

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My great grandchildren might have beachfront if they are lucky

Author: PBHangingChad (6249 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:15 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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The market created oil companies and will also create their alternatives.

Author: iairishcheeks (9824 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:20 am on Feb 10, 2019

I saw a documentary once, I watch a lot of docs, so I can't remember where this came from, but here's the gist:

In the mid 1800s we were burning whale oil in our lamps and because we were killing whales for whale oil faster than whales could replenish themselves, a market emerged to find an alternative to whale oil. An inventor was able to create a substance from coal which burned much better in the lamps than the whale oil, he called it kerosene. Later another inventor was trying to figure out what to do with this tar-like substance that existed on the surface in places like Pennsylvania and discovered the process for converting oil into kerosene. When making kerosene from oil there was a by-product that originally they just threw in a hole and tossed a match to. This substance was basically what we now call gasoline.

Fast forward to the invention of the internal combustion engine. Originally ICEs were designed to run on ethanol, but due to the limited amount of ethanol available and the excess of this gasoline substance they were re-designed to use gasoline and what was originally a byproduct of the primary use, kerosene, became the primary use for oil.

So you see, the market created the oil companies, not the other way around.

As far as politics go, the fact that we will outgrow the use of fossil fuels is indisputable. So the question becomes should we let the market create alternatives, the conservative approach or create alternatives through taxes and subsidies, the liberal approach? I am somewhere in the middle. As we continue to shutdown coal plants in the US, it makes coal cheaper for China that is putting up more and more coal plants. Doesn't really solve the problem of emissions that our myopic environmentalists think they are. The atmosphere doesn't care whether the air pollutants from burning coal came from a power plant in China or one in the US. But on the flip side, we should continue to fund research into alternative forms of energy. Not because we hate oil companies, but because we will run out of oil.


Thread Level: 3

Liberal taxes and subsidies always fail

Author: CC72 (13934 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 3:06 pm on Feb 10, 2019

Thankfully it will be at least 100 years if even until we “run out of oil”.

Safe nuclear would be a good alternative for helping generate electricity. Unfortunately, if you try to replace all the stuff made from fossil fuels with wood and hemp you will have a very difficult time. But good luck.


Thread Level: 4

Hemp?

Author: LehighND (5429 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:41 pm on Feb 10, 2019

Go on.

Thread Level: 4

Tell that to our ag and petro industries

Author: Chris94 (21608 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:42 pm on Feb 10, 2019

Both of which thrive on subsidies and protections and tax breaks.

Thread Level: 5

Whataboutism.

Author: NedoftheHill (22838 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:35 am on Feb 11, 2019

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No, he’s citing examples of where he feels they haven’t failed.

Author: Frank L (34242 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:21 am on Feb 11, 2019

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We've been subsidizing the oil industry since WW1.

Author: iairishcheeks (9824 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Feb 10, 2019

If we're going to subsidize energy research and production, I think a shift from oil would be wise.

Thread Level: 4

Tell us about trickledown Econ.

Author: jimbasil (33333 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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So working at a gas station makes you an "oil guy?"

Author: AlbanyIRISH (19776 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:34 am on Feb 10, 2019

Duly noted.

Thread Level: 2

I must have missed something.

Author: LehighND (5429 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:30 am on Feb 10, 2019

Is someone suggest we cease all oil use today?

Thread Level: 3

He just wants to show the dependency we have on oil. How deep/strong this dependency is

Author: Eli (4127 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:14 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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Exactly. The green movement is being hyped as a solution within the next 50 years in replacing

Author: PBHangingChad (6249 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:35 pm on Feb 10, 2019

fossil fuels. Take away the higher costs and required government subsidies clean energy can’t replace fossil fuel energy on the electrical grid that would be required to power electric cars. For one simple reason. We can’t store green energy in abundance or for an extended length of time. The technology doesn’t exist and the physics that is required is similar to the development of cold fusion.

Solar panels work when the sun is shinning but once the sun goes down it can’t store that energy and within hours the power grid would fail. And there are many places in the country where the sun doesn’t shine for days or weeks.

Same with wind. Climate patterns make consistent wind speeds unlikely and then once again it can’t store the energy for any length of time.

So imagine the US current power grid requirement that must be maintained 24/7. Green technology has no idea how to make that happen. Now add millions of charging stations across the US drawing even more power. Particularly at night.

And by the way this will cost trillions of dollars if it can ever be accomplished.

Sorry but those are the facts to date. So having 40-50% of electrical power and electrical cars supplied by green energy in the next 30-40 years is nearly impossible. And remember oil prices are cheap.

So while the environmental wackos talk about green energies just around the corner, it will surely grow. But most of our grandchildren will be dead long before fossil fuel usage globally is under 50% of total energy.


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I don't even know what this means -

Author: LehighND (5429 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:38 pm on Feb 10, 2019

"The green movement is being hyped as a solution within the next 50 years in replacing fossil fuels."

I certainly do not know who is doing the hyping of the "green movement" That's the weird thing about passive voice.


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"Mistakes were made'...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16737 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:43 am on Feb 11, 2019

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That's fine, but oil is a finite resource.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (19776 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:49 pm on Feb 10, 2019

When it runs out, then what?

Thread Level: 6

Then the climate starts to cool down?

Author: NedoftheHill (22838 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:45 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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Hydrogen, stop by any ocean with a bucket and drive on.

Author: PBHangingChad (6249 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:01 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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Enjoy your first day without oil...you weak, weak man.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16737 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:04 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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Re: I’ll give you an oil company perspective on Climate Change. Not for the weak.

Author: Rooster (2903 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:13 am on Feb 10, 2019

Yes, we use petroleum for many things, plastic, etc., and we certainly use it in our cars. Cars the auto and oil industries made sure gobbled up fossil fuels. Do we use these fuels Mr. Oil Man, yes, because for years large corporations and families that own fossil fuel producers and Detroit did all they could to block alternatives, cried they could not make cars that got better gas mileage until the Japanese showed the bullshitters in Detroit it could be done. Electric cars are coming, in fits and starts yes, but they'll be here and as the tipping point comes Detroit is seeing the light and venturing into electric. The oil companies have been complicit in our need for oil so Mr. Oil Man when you want to play the reasonable one, take your own advice and STFU.

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Using oil goes beyond energy needs. Its byproducts: plastic, clothing, aspirin...are our basic needs

Author: Eli (4127 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:02 am on Feb 10, 2019

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Don’t tell Ocasio-Cortez or her moron Columbia law professor advisor

Author: CC72 (13934 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 3:08 pm on Feb 10, 2019

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That’s actually an oil company perspective on the importance of having energy

Author: Chris94 (21608 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:29 am on Feb 10, 2019

Pretty sure everyone likes energy.

Some forms are cleaner than others. Maybe you think we’ll still be burning fossil fuels in 50 years. And maybe we will.

But I bet we’ll be burning a helluva lot less.


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You must have a strong constitution.

Author: LehighND (5429 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:32 am on Feb 10, 2019

You read PB's startling revelation about climate change and you can still post.